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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2016 13:46:17 GMT
Gonna have to agree with Zucc on this one. If we're gonna be following Super, it makes sense that the SSJ trans is followed as well. As much as some people may prefer SSJ2 or SSJ3, heck, I prefer 3 myself, it's not really consistent. SSJ3 was stated to be a huge energy drain, and it seems entirely reasonable that we get rid of the 'Mastered" state.
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Post by Arias on May 9, 2016 13:56:31 GMT
What would the multiplier even be for Chou Super Saiyan? Would it be greater than the x45 of MSSJ3? The concept is interesting of Chou SSJ, but how would we incorporate it into the lore of the site? Plus, the Saiyan midgame is average with SSJ2 and SSJ3, if we removed all trans until Chou SSJ, Saiyans would have a worse midgame than Arcosians, but quite the extreme endgame. However, some people wouldn't want to wait that long for the transformation to be achieved for their player. And some would prefer the SSJ3 trans over Chou Super, so here's some things I think could work
Suggestions: Chou Super Saiyan- 350-450k PL SSJ2 and SSJ3/MSSJ3 still available to player choice, but they do not have to take Chou Super Saiyan. If you chose MSSJ3, Chou Super Saiyan is lost.
I'm in the grey area, it depends on if Chou SSJ would be worth it in the end. I'd prefer being able to have the midgame trans of SSJ2 and SSJ3, but if they are still available even if Chou SSJ is added, +1. If not, I am against Chou SSJ if it wouldn't be worth giving up the transes for midgame Saiyans.
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Post by Articho Reville on May 9, 2016 15:28:51 GMT
Arias, I think it's just a name change and nothing more.
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Post by Kizuki on May 9, 2016 15:36:55 GMT
Arias, what Arti said. Currently, MSSJ3 is the final tier transformation for Saiyajin. We're looking to change it to something else, most likely a perfected level of SSJ1 called Chou SSJ. In this state, a Saiyajin will have 100% mastered the SSJ form, increasing their overall capabilities with little to no draw back, unlike the other levels. It's basically an even better version of MSSJ1.
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Post by Arias on May 9, 2016 15:37:47 GMT
If this is so, +1 for Chou SSJ.
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Post by Abzerute on May 9, 2016 19:14:30 GMT
A thoughts just occured to me about this Chou SSJ form... didn't they achieve this state AFTER they'd been exposed to Godly Ki and had it absorbed into their system? So, wouldn't whoever reaches that level of power, also need to go through the whole thing as well to achieve it?
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2016 19:59:09 GMT
Abz has a point. If we're going for accuracy when relating to canon, the Super Saiyan God power would have to already within them in order to reach a "Chou" Super Saiyan form. In fact, why couldn't we just have Super Saiyan God as a transformation. The final Arcosian transformation is already essentially Golden Frieza so it wouldn't be too much of a power jump. Also, Vegeta proved it possible to reach Super Saiyan God without receiving the power from other Saiyans.
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Post by Zucceta on May 9, 2016 20:01:09 GMT
Chou Super Saiyan isn't ENTIRELY related to God Ki. Clearly, if the only buff was the god ki in addition to the transformation, they'd still use SSj2 or 3.
SSjG is possible as a thing that happens after the god ritual in the thread it takes, but the main difference will be (in the god ki system being discussed atm) that utilizing god ki rather than just normal ki would change (Chou) Super Saiyan into Super Saiyan Blue, aesthetically.
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Post by Datura on May 9, 2016 20:10:15 GMT
one thing, i see the mssj3 could be replaced. Yea in the show it showed as the years went on, goku could use the form better, but i dont think there is an actual Mastered form of ssj3. so my 2 cents is, remove it, and change it to the Chou super saiyan. and either give it the same or larger multiplier.
One thing also to think of, as super goes on, there are probably going to be more transformations revealed.
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Post by Riku on May 9, 2016 22:33:09 GMT
WHY WOULDN'T YOU WANT THAT DANK GOLDEN HAIR THAT REACHES YOUR BUTT!?
So....In all honesty I love SSJ3. Yet, I like this idea too. If I may, I would like to just say, REPLACING MSSJ3, definitely sounds viable for canon reasons and site lore reasons. Nobody IC knows about SSJ3, and by the time the first one appears, they'll know the toll it shall take on their body. SO: Since we see Goku in literally every fight or movie in SSJ1(or 2), it would totally make sense for ChouSSJ to be allowed.
No seriously give me my damn SSJ4(or LSSJ).
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Post by Zucceta on May 9, 2016 22:39:54 GMT
I like SSj3 a lot, too, but tbh not as the final form given its canonical drawbacks. Mastery was a way of narratively overcoming those drawbacks, but I figured what with Super's retcon a Chou SSj is best.
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Post by Vi-Poi on May 10, 2016 3:10:48 GMT
I want dis.
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Post by Kaula on May 10, 2016 7:30:31 GMT
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Post by Kail on May 10, 2016 10:52:21 GMT
All for this. SSJ3 was always an unstable transformation, so mastering it always seemed odd to me. Chou Super Saiyan is stronger, more effecient, and canon so it just seems like a good choice to swap them
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Post by Helix Crust on May 10, 2016 15:31:18 GMT
Make chou a thing, and then make all other transformations inaccessible. Maybe that way at end game changelings will finally have more transformations than monkeys... >__>
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