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Post by Plato on May 13, 2016 19:38:51 GMT
What I mean zucc is that I think namak for example need branches. I feel that a whole ilinnel power line seems boring. That just me the more chooses the better. Like best example for me is bio android. They have 2 different paths with different strengths and weaknesses
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Post by Ninjin Nedrag on May 13, 2016 20:11:37 GMT
The most clear cut example you have for this split that you are talking about is the Kagami where it is really a difference in power and what you can RP alongside it. The two paths of the Kagami one is better at the start of the power tiers but weaker later while the other is weak to begin but stronger late. Not to mention the RP differences between the lines.
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Post by Kail on May 13, 2016 21:45:31 GMT
Don't namekians sorta have different lines between the three clans? or are they all mechanically the same?
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Post by Zucceta on May 14, 2016 1:19:33 GMT
transformations are the same. the differences are mostly in the starting buff and the IC.
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Post by Plato on May 14, 2016 1:46:52 GMT
I feel that in every race, there should at least be one branch, so that people don't feel the same as the next guy (though, the problem will still happen it will be less, hopefully)
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Post by Zucceta on May 14, 2016 4:09:04 GMT
I disagree thoroughly, Flute, because one human shouldn't "feel the same" as another human due to character, not 'genetics' or whatever.
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Post by Plato on May 14, 2016 4:17:49 GMT
That is true. People will feel different on chachter, but i feel that their should be branches for forms for every race (that just me obviously that one easy not trying to say you guys do that.) But i think it the flavor and choice. do i get a weaker form but earlier or a stronger but later game form. or mabye if there three a late game that requires a defeat so forth. just choice is all i'm saying. the more choice the better.
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Post by Zucceta on May 14, 2016 4:22:20 GMT
I disagree, again. The more choice the more convuluted it can get in the face of actual potent narrative. Its not meant to be a systems-focused site.
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Post by Plato on May 14, 2016 4:26:08 GMT
Fair enough, I Apprentice the comment though. It makes sense not to have too many forms, this is a rp, not an rpg. But yah, this is getting off topic. we pretty much gone through what we need to say. Chou super saiyan makes more sense then a mastered ssj3.
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Post by Atreyu on Jul 30, 2016 20:24:49 GMT
I know I'm new here and all, but I agree with it. From what I can see this site so far, is pre-Super. And I think this would be a good step towards SSG and such. IDK if there's Golden Frieza or not but, if it's for balancing there can be other forms as well, like Majins, Super Majin, Kid Majin, etc. Namekian, Super Namek (This was brought up when piccolo and Kami fused) Humans.. Well they have Unlocked Potential, Mystic, Ultimate, whatever you want to call it. So I see this as a good step towards many many new things to come to the site
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Post by king13s on Sept 23, 2016 9:54:54 GMT
Hi there, this is actually my first post at all. I feel this is definitely a step in a good direction. There are even evidences for this argument in DBZ. Each Saiyan form serves a purpose in compounding their power in the most nessisary way.
Oozaru: external stimuli drives base instincts wild, the hind brain takes over and the current physical body has to become giant to compensate for not just goddammed exploding with the sudden onset of power.
Quasi/psuedo super Saiyan : pure rage without enough power backing it. Goku was in a desperate situation were anger blinded him and this triggered a sudden manifestation of ki that, being born of rage, burned red hot.
Super Saiyan: character who reach this on screen have all gone through a broad spectrum of emotional durress. They are exhausted, broken, but still filled with a rage to fight through and win. The golden hair accentuated this ascension through that mirriad of physical and emotional strain and rise above. Ki production internally increases rapidly, another cause for the light manifestation in the hair.
Ultimate super Saiyan forms: now with this new form they've become power hungry,and just want more and more strength... so just more big dumb muscles that slow you down litteraly and for Trunks actually. He thought all this power was useful and it inhibited his progress. Ki production is directed straight towards stimulating muscle growth.
Mastered /Power weighted Super Saiyan: Every fighter has to learn to balance and live with their life as a combatant and the nature of still being happy. You can't always rely on rage and pain to drive you in a fight, sometimes it's good to fight for happiness and with a peaceful mind.
Super Saiyan 2/Ascended Super Saiyan: each character we see do this seems to have to contradict their normal nature, Vegeta surpasses his pride and Gohan gives into rage fully (Goku originally obtained this off screen). They ascend past their status quo and elevate themselves to a higher state that now visibly effects the world around them. Their body is now generating ki at such a point they crackle their air with electricity. Notice we never see Gotenks in this form. He skips it because he doesn't go through this.
Super Saiyan 3: this is like putting NOS into you car. Users are seemingly using their own life force to supplement and boost Ki production. This makes sense if you think that it shortened Goku's time on earth and the fusion time of Gotenks was also shortened (essentially that unified beings life force was drained faster). Goku also couldn't stabilize the form like he thought. I feel this is mostly due to learning the form while he had been dead in what was essentially an inexhaustible incorporeal form. In GT this form hurts his child body to the point it nearly kills him, because remember while he may physically be a child he is still an older guy.
Golden Oozaru: The ID has physical form... it's terrifying.
Super Saiyan 4: the perfect hybrid for a fighter. Being able to take contientious control of your ID. Your fight instincts manifest and guided by skill, thoughtfulness, and composure. Your inner monster worn like armor on your skin.
Super Saiyan God: This form shows solidarity, something that can be hard for a fighter, but taking in the strength of others to compensate for your own weakness is power in itself. Goku had to have tvhis done to him where as it actually makes sense Vegeta could manifest it on his own, think about his speech as Making Vegeta, but with more time to feel that in earnest... litteraly they are absorbing atmospheric energy instead of producing their own. Their body is restored and resting because it doesn't have to produce ki.
Super Saiyan Blue: intake external energy and compound it with your own power. What was a form once powered by rage is now powered by enlightenment. It no longer burns hot and bright, but consistent and pure, like a blue flame.
TLDR: people think these forms are like shifting up or down on your car, but it's more like one driver switching cars entirely. The driver's skills and output are ultimately responsible for the ability. however, some cars will just outperform others regardless of how skillful the driver is though because their output is better.
What Trunks is doing in DBS is showing that he now has a better handling of his Super Saiyan form than potentially even Goku or Vegeta, but this doesn't elevate him above people who are driving Formula 1 cars while he's driving a well maintained NASCAR. He can keep pace in the chaos of a multiple fighter situation, but one on one he is eventually out classed.
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Post by Purika on Sept 24, 2016 0:45:24 GMT
+1 to this, I say replace MSSJ3 with this.
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Post by Jax Punchlust on Oct 2, 2016 0:02:53 GMT
I'm all for this! I'd love for more super to seep it's way into the Souls universe! My main question, however, would be how would the other races balance around this new form? Would they get new transformations, taken from Super or other parts of DB canon, when the time comes? Or will everyone be able to somehow be enhanced with "god ki", since that's how the new powers seem to work in Super? I'm just curious how others will "level up" along with the Saiyans at that point, if you catch my drift.
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Post by Zucceta on Oct 2, 2016 14:10:01 GMT
the idea at the time was that all races would acquire god ki and it would cause minor changes to the appearance of your (final) transformation(s). chou ssj becomes ssj blue, etc. ssj3 could potentially be ssj god (as seen in the Super manga as a form that Goku can access, unlike in the movie/show).
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Post by Jax Punchlust on Oct 2, 2016 17:17:06 GMT
How would god Ki be accessed? Would certain admins create a character for the role akin to Whis/Beerus, and be a mutual NPC? Something akin to the holy water from Kami? Or maybe you have to use DB to wish for it? It'd be interesting to see how it's incorporated.
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