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Post by Kaula on Aug 7, 2015 10:31:48 GMT
((Was hoping to run this by Rev first since I've had a bad day, but I need sleep and don't think it should be put off any longer.)) Member Name: KaulaWarning Amount: 65 > 75 [2 days] Reason for Warning: Earlier in the Cbox, you instigated a confrontation with Komoto after being given several prior warnings via Skype to leave him alone and let staff deal with him. We have been fairly lenient with you on this subject thus far but there are only so many informal warnings that can be issued before action needs to be taken. Please take this warning into consideration for future interactions involving the Cbox. i.imgur.com/VDA8G5l.pngi.imgur.com/mRDtypG.pngi.imgur.com/e2sYmsZ.pngi.imgur.com/CA0Wkt9.png I'm really not happy with this. Not happy with it at all. I don't like how he cut out two full parts of the conversation The one at the start of the whole thing, and the one at the end. I would like to start off by saying that before I "instigated" anything with him, I didn't. Not at all. I was actually very tame compared to what he said about me. Lucky for me, I snagged a picture of what he said. And I'd like to finish this thought by saying I actually apologized at the end of the whole thing. I, sadly, don't have a screencap of this. But I would like to request my warning be brought down and, if it is, I'd even want Komoto's brought down. Because I don't even care anymore. He can make up whatever he wants about me because I am just about done with it all. I'd also like to note Vipoi was there for it. Didn't really say anything on the matter so I don't think I went that far at all. These are all probably no excuse, but I am 100% done with him, that's for sure. But I would like to still contest this. I do not feel it's deserved. I am not happy with this, at all. And incase Drage somehow missed it, I am sorry if I went too far while bringing all that up. Tania @drage Reikiko Zucceta Vi-Poi
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 10:46:49 GMT
o.o But you only really brought up for him to fix his post that he kinda just kept putting off and bing did tell him too change it. >.> I'm not quite sure why the warning is there? Seems a little odd that you may get a 2 day ban from it. >.> I mean he kinda didn't fix it... An that does appear like he had something rather rude to say in the c-box when I see that screen shot. o.o seems like the punishment isn't really all that deserving. xP I dunno just seems a little unfair to me.
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Post by tariph on Aug 7, 2015 10:46:55 GMT
Just looked at all the screenshots and it looked like is anyone instigated anything it was Komoto >"Tranny slut, Kaula"
It doesn't really seem that fair when considering the context, especially when she wasn't even talking when Komoto said.
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Post by Zuni on Aug 7, 2015 10:49:40 GMT
I've discussed his staffside but I concur that Kaula does not deserve any punishment for this - especially in light of her decision to remove herself from the conversation when she realized she was getting hotheaded.
If Kaula was still staff, I could potentially see her needing to be held to a higher standard. Right now, she is not, and I would not expect any player - including our more volatile ones - to get a further warning when responding somewhat emotionally to bigoted slurs. Given that Komoto is aware of the situation with Kaula, this seems more like an attempt to bait her into earning a ban and should be treated as trolling IMO.
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Post by Nicolas Mclendon on Aug 7, 2015 11:12:21 GMT
I too have discussed my feelings of discontent staff side towards this situation but considering this forum favors transparency I would like to publicly state my feelings on this situation.
I feel calling someone something so genuinely hateful and not expecting them to respond is obnoxious. While it is true that Komoto (Drage) and Kaula have a heated history from what is presented here it's obvious that this was an instigation and an attack from left field from Komoto. If I were a gambling man I'd bet that due to the message (combined with the arguably lackluster post in the saga followed by the arguably bitter post in the check in thread) that this is a result of Komoto being irritated that Kaula called him out on trying to bend the rules in his favor for the saga: Fire and Ice. If you read the hateful message that caused Kaula to react you can see that it plainly states: "I could have had fun with them on my other character (Komoto) but that one bitch ruined it for me." What she 'ruined' was his scheme to slip out of the DE thread while throwing a wrench in the heroes' plans to protect against the heroes by calling not only the unfairness of leaving while attacking but the unfairness in the calculations of the attack as well. Due to having things not go his way I suspect he lashed out.
I would also like to point out that when Zuni (Tako) called him out on Metagaming an insult (Making a reference to My Little Pony when that doesn't exist in this universe) he altered his post to have him insult the character with a derogatory term for transexuals, in an earlier instance (which could be taken as a personal attack to the player) showing that he's got a history of lashing out with vicious hateful slurs upon being confronted for bending the rules.
It would be unrealistic of Kaula or anyone to take what was said (which is absolutely disgusting in my humble opinion) without reacting. For what is shown here Kaula displayed remarkable restraint. Given the history I understand that you might want to punish Kaula for getting into a spat with Komoto. Though given his current history of using slurs to attack players (be it hidden in game or not) I feel that she should be excused.
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Post by Natto on Aug 7, 2015 11:19:40 GMT
Guys... I think warning Kaula is a waaaaaaay out of reasonable thinking. People can get pretty emotional when they are referred to by such therms. People sometimes will get on justified fist fights for something like that or worse.
Kaula, on the other hand, when she noticed she was getting rather emotional, chose to leave the cbox, which was a quite mature attitude.
To punish her for that behavior (enduring offense and peacefully choosing to leave and avoid further fight and offense) is just plain wrong.
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Post by Tania on Aug 7, 2015 11:37:03 GMT
Figured I'd toss a note here since as much as I'd like to go to sleep with how tired today has left me, insomnia seems to be kicking me. Repeatedly. In the face. May as well make a statement on this new information.
After getting home from a long day away from home of running errands and persistent abdomen pains plaguing me the whole way through thanks to my still untreated/diagnosed colon issues, the first thing I see on my Skype is the following message from Komoto.
By the time I got the message, several hours had passed so I had to scour the Cbox history to figure out what he was talking about. I was tired from the day's events, still in pain, and had completely missed that first part of the conversation. It is true that Kaula has had a rocky past with Komoto. I've had to get on her before about leaving him alone about the issues that she had brought up in the Cbox seemingly out of left field. She has a history with doing this. HOWEVER, as I said, this was before I saw the screenshot that she had posted in response to the warning. Komoto's behavior was most certainly NOT okay in this case. This is why I requested that Rev altered the warning that I had posted since I'm still in quite the foul mood. I'm willing to rule this as an exception considering what was said beforehand.
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Post by Xanthon on Aug 7, 2015 11:40:19 GMT
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Post by Kaula on Aug 7, 2015 12:39:44 GMT
TThank you to everyone who stuck up on me. Consider this thread closed for now. Rev and Tania have decided to withdraw the warning on me after some new evidence came to light.
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