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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 5:18:06 GMT
Why do you think you gained a more of a gravity bonus? What bonuses did you gain that you want your PL reduced? I can't understand where that is coming from. Because I roleplayed those Gravity Training threads, under the assumption that Gravity Chambers operated based on the planet's current Gravity instead of Earth's Gravity. It would not make sense, for him to struggle at x10 Vegeta's gravity only for him to enter a x50 training thread at Earth's gravity completely unaffected by the training. And this is to set how gravity works on each and every planet, so people like me or newbies don't assume things like it works based on the current planet's gravity.
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Post by Kaula on Jul 8, 2015 5:19:50 GMT
*clears her throat*
It's still gonna be a no.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 5:21:08 GMT
So you're saying that instead of a 10% bonus to your first gravity thread - you got 50%?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 5:21:53 GMT
*clears her throat* It's still gonna be a no.*clears own throat* Let the community to decide.So you're saying that instead of a 10% bonus to your first gravity thread - you got 50%? Flavorly and IC, Aspa did the first one at Vegeta's gravity and the ones since then. Should the community decide against flavoring Gravity threads, that would mean Aspa IC would have trained at x100, and it would need to be changed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 5:22:29 GMT
It says x10 and moves by x10 so why would someone not get its moving by 10 rather then a 100. If you can use it on earth vegeta arcose and space why what possibly would point a new person towards the conclusion its not x10 but going off some othe variable that none of the grav says anything about xD
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 5:23:02 GMT
I wanna join on this flare too!
Anyway, yeah, I believe the staff already talked about Gravity diff on planet and how it was a mistake on the other site before this one. From what I understand after such, all Gravity are measured in earth's units, all planet gravity are the same as earth overall. Cannon? Yes, Vegeta should be x10 but site wise, it is x1 like earth.
With this, I come to a conclusion!
The gravity is fine as how it is now since it would be measured by the site ruling on gravity, if they wanted to give Vegeta such a boost then they would have months ago since this site is considered 'old' and a 'rebirth' of the one before.
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Post by Kaula on Jul 8, 2015 5:25:03 GMT
*clears her throat* It's still gonna be a no.*clears own throat* Let the community to decide. No. The staff told you (or Gula or Drake or Whoever, pretty sure you) before, weeks ago, you can't just do a vegeta when it came to grav training.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 5:26:44 GMT
It says x10 and moves by x10 so why would someone not get its moving by 10 rather then a 100. If you can use it on earth vegeta arcose and space why what possibly would point a new person towards the conclusion its not x10 but going off some othe variable that none of the grav says anything about xD It does say that, but it never specifies which Gravity the chambers fall under. Anyone could state if they're on Vegeta, that they're training within the chamber with Vegeta Gravity instead of Earth Gravity. It would still be at x10, but relatively based on both planets it would be x10 and x100. *clears own throat* Let the community to decide. No. The staff told you (or Gula or Drake or Whoever, pretty sure you) before, weeks ago, you can't just do a vegeta when it came to grav training.Which staff? None of them have told me no. I've contacted all three of the Admins about this, including Bing. Bing said he would talk to the other staff about it. Bao who was the only Admin on at the time told me this: You would need to own a gravity chamber to do a gravity thread, but I personally see no issue with flavoring it ICly as something slightly different. To be certain however, I encourage you not to ask us, but ask the community. Despite recent changes, i still affirm it is the community who decides. If they are cool with you flavouring your gravity training(after still buying the chamber and such so mechanically you are getting no unfair advantage) different then sure, if they want you to stick exclusively to in-character being in the chamber then that's how you'll have to do it. ^ Directly taken from my PMs I did not alter it President Bao can affirm this.
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Post by Kaula on Jul 8, 2015 5:31:45 GMT
It's not even up to the community. It's up to the staff. This place isn't fully democratic anymore. Not only that, the vast majority of the community is literally facepalming at this discussion right now. Stop trying to complicate things. Stop trying to be a vegeta when it comes to grav training, please. You were told before not to.
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Post by Rukkora on Jul 8, 2015 5:33:05 GMT
And I do understand this, but planet Vegeta was destroyed while Vegeta was a child. His body would have unadjusted to the gravity of Vegeta. Bullshit. The Lord of Worlds specifically tells Son Goku that he'll need to train on his planet because the Saiyans are already accustomed to similar gravity. And one doesn't "unadjust" to gravity in Dragon Ball unless you've grown weaker and Vegeta is definitely not weaker than he was as a child when we meet him. When someone does not train or do any sort of exercise for long periods of time, their bodies deteriorate. This is the case here. There could be worlds with that much gravity to them. Bullshit. Vegeta spent his entire life as a soldier of Frieza constantly training to become as powerful as he possibly could in hopes of one day taking him out. Vegeta, and Goku underwent a LOT of Zenkai. Goku's last Zenkai sent him from 90,000 PL to 3,000,000 PL. That's a 2,100,000 PL boost. Yes, they were waaaaaay more powerful than what we have here. Bullshit. The scale of power on this site is not the same as the show's. A Super Saiyan transformation occurs at 100,000 here, 1500 times less than Son Goku's power level when he attained the transformation. Also, Goku did not adjust to a higher gravity easily. He struggled a lot with King Kai's planet, due to the enhanced gravity. Brenchians have a adaptation ability like Saiyans do. He also abused the hell out of Zenkai in order to reach x100 Earth's gravity, which sky rocketed him from 9,000 to 90,000 within a month and six days. Bullshit. The Lord of Worlds actually mentions that he's impressed at how quickly Son Goku got it. It should have taken far longer than it did; which is why I say he did it with ease. It wasn't "easy work" but the work was easier for Goku than it would be for someone else. And Zenkai activates when a Saiyan recovers from a mortal wound; Goku did not continuouslly near-fatally wound himself en route to Namek. You are incorrect. Unique Characteristics: Brenchians are naturally stronger and faster than Earthlings, due to their planet's intense gravity. They also have a quick adapting function in their biology, allowing them to adjust quickly to environments like Saiyans. Found here: wodsouls.freeforums.net/thread/8/aliens-customBeing able to adjust quickly to new gravity is not the same as being able to take an impossible amount of gravity. What I'm saying is, that Gravity Chambers should work on the planet's gravity and would only be for flavor. I realise how you intend to use it. I'm telling you that, for a gravity chamber to work on the planets' Gravity Chamber : 1,000z | 2,500z | 3,750z | 6,250z : Gravity chambers are available for purchase in models capable of fifty, eighty, one hundred and twenty, and one hundred and fifty times gravity. As mentioned in the 'rules of Wod:Souls' thread, this training enhancement can only be utilised for 2 threads per week. [requires basic spaceship or building] Nowhere in this description does it say that it's 'Earth's' Gravity that the Gravity chambers would be based off of. It simply says what it says. Anyone, would assume that this means and what's in the rules could mean the planet's gravity, not Earth's gravity. A good point. Rev, can you please please specify that the intervals are based on Earth's Gravity in the shop thread so that we can end this insipid discussion?7) Of these, two can be gravity-based or enhanced-zeni (and counts towards the five if you are doing it with a companion). Gravity trainings increase in increments of 10x, no skipping allowed. Bullshit. Going from 10G to 100G to 200G - even if just for "flavour" - isn't "skipping" 10G increments to you? Who says, someone from Earth or Namek would go to Vegeta to train? Who says a Human couldn't flavor their Gravity chamber to work by Vegeta gravity, and do it by one each level? Let the Community decide about this. No, the community shouldn't get to decide that some races can train to Super Saiyan God-level gravitation just because you think it "makes sense" that they can because their native worlds have a higher gravity. Gravity training does not work that way. THE MOMENT YOU GO OVER YOUR PLANET'S NATIVE GRAVITATION, YOU ARE NO LONGER GRANTED ANY ADVANTAGE IT MIGHT GIVE YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE NO LONGER AT ITS GRAVITY. JUST BECAUSE YOUR PLANET IS 10G DOES NOT MEAN YOUR FIRST INTERVAL WOULD BE 100G, THAT IS INSANE.And like I said in the first post of this thread. If the community decides to go by Earth's gravity with Gravity Training, I will let the staff reduce my PL by what I gained through Gravity Training, and redo all of my Gravity threads to be based on Earth's Gravity. Why would they need to? Your gravity training gains are fine, it's how you're flavouring them that's not.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 5:33:35 GMT
You would need to own a gravity chamber to do a gravity thread, but I personally see no issue with flavoring it ICly as something slightly different. To be certain however, I encourage you not to ask us, but ask the community. Despite recent changes, i still affirm it is the community who decides. If they are cool with you flavouring your gravity training(after still buying the chamber and such so mechanically you are getting no unfair advantage) different then sure, if they want you to stick exclusively to in-character being in the chamber then that's how you'll have to do it. I've already posted this, but yeah
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Post by Kaula on Jul 8, 2015 5:35:39 GMT
Now you're just constantly bringing up the same thing over and over again, no longer trying to defend yourself. Come on, dude. Pretty much everyone here is telling you no. You said "ask the community" - Community said no. Which staff? None of them have told me no. I've contacted all three of the Admins about this, including Bing. Bing said he would talk to the other staff about it. Bao who was the only Admin on at the time told me this: I also like how you left out Bing's answer. "Because of the fact that nobody else has done so (even those on Vegeta) I would say no to that. IC it would mean your character has reached a gravity that nobody else has, which would not only be semi-unfair in some peoples eyes but it would also be entirely unnecessary. If you wanna get a second opinion from one of the other mods I implore you to PM them, but for now I am against it even if it's just flavor."
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Post by Zexama on Jul 8, 2015 5:40:54 GMT
IT is always not up to the community. If you asked the community. "Hey how about everyone gets 60306204692046920pl? The staff don't get any say in if the community says no." With your logic, that could happen (on a smaller scale of course).
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Post by Rukkora on Jul 8, 2015 5:41:25 GMT
Shoot, you're right, Kayle. I misread. Sorry, Wyntre.
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Post by Nicolas Mclendon on Jul 8, 2015 6:15:15 GMT
Flavoring your character to make them train at gravity that is 10x more than any other race would be a little silly because that would mean that despite the fact that your character is training at 1500x gravity a human training at 150x would gain the same rate of experience. Essentially Aspa would have the chance to be upstaged by a guy working out at 10% of what he's working out at.
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