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Post by Kaula on May 25, 2015 7:20:02 GMT
So.. I noticed a growing trend on some of these planets. You know, Earth has Kami.. Namek has the Grand Elder.. But Vegeta? Currently nothing like that. Well me? I'm here to change that. Oh wait, you think I plan on being the Vegeta "Kami"? Hah. No. It won't be me. It'd be this lovely demon: ZuniShe's been approved as a former Saiyan deity/demon from the past. Pretty much, to simplify it, she is the equivalent to the Saiyan Boogyman. If I am wrong, she can correct me. Now, I understand she'd likely have to get some RP done to get up into power and into the position that she'd have. Right now I think it'd be interesting because it adds some mysticism to Vegeta, and I feel it would also help bring some RP in, considering she'd be the opposite of Earth's Kami, probably usually messing with the inhabitants of the people and playing pranks and what have you. Now, you are wondering how one could get this training, huh. Right? Well, for 2,250 Zeni, they can purchase the Zuni emblem in the item shop, just like Kami's emblem! Techniques: 1)[UP2]Galic Buster Canon -A stronger, corrupted version of the Galic Gun. 2)[SU]Monkey Transformation -The user can change their appearance to that of any other, of the same sex, broadly-humanoid species, so long as she maintains some monkey elements to her look and does NOT have black hair and dark eyes (one or the other is fine) 3)[SU] Ki Suppression -Pretty straight-forward here Special Item: Golden Peaches. People beneath 80,000 PL can possibly obtain one to gain 12,000 PL. These are a one-time deal and cannot be re-obtained
Now onto the slightly touchier subject. Dragon Balls. When I brought this up with a few people, they got all up in arms about there being dragon balls on some place other then Earth/Namek. Now, before you all get your pitchforks and torches, hear me out. Okay?
They'd be like dragon balls, except wishes sometimes have unintended consequences for those foolish enough to go for them, you know. ... ....... ............. Like a Monkey's Paw!
I feel we talked about these the least, but if there is enough want for these, we could flesh them out more. We didn't go into much detail because I figured people would shoot this down.
Zuni is also willing to go to Namek to do some posts to learn how to make Dragon Balls, if possible. So there's that. :3No dragon balls then. x3 ANYWAY! DISCUSS!
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Post by Toma on May 25, 2015 7:26:54 GMT
I'm all for the Vegeta Kami. But Dragon Balls on Vegeta? No.
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Post by tariph on May 25, 2015 7:28:05 GMT
I'm for it. If any planet should have a trickster god, it's Vegetable. I mean plant. I mean Vegeta. Toma , those aren't dragon balls, they're freaking traps.
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Post by Zuni on May 25, 2015 7:30:11 GMT
I would be honoured to begin my reign of terror! Mwahahaha! But no, seriously, I'm really flattered that people wanted to run with this concept. Zuni definitely was intended to be a Saiyan version of the Devil or the Boogeyman, and it doesn't seem like their culture is the kind where a peaceful, good-hearted Kami would really fit in. With the Dragon Balls - I don't think Zuni should be able to learn how to make them - that's definitely a Namekian thing. But, she might go to Namek and try to convince/cajole/bully the Namekians into making her some cursed Dragon Balls she can put out there on Vegeta - it isn't like the Saiyans are a force for galactic good, after all, and as she's still more on the side of 'cause mischief and trouble' than 'kill everyone and everything rar' I imagine she might actually get somewhere with the Namekians. Either way, that'd be a long time coming. I'm also totally happy to work towards this end goal - I was already planning a Moon Palace as goal number one for Zuni, which would work as her Lookout analogue, and if there's a minimum PL or more stuff people think it is fair she'd have to buy first, I am absolutely down with that. Just let me know what I need to work towards, and I will do it! The last note I'd like to point out is that there IS some canonical crossover between Demons and Kami in the series. Kami's evil side (Daimyo Piccolo) is used as an example in our Demon species page, and Garlic Junior - a Makyan, classified as a Demon here - also intended to take over the Lookout and become Kami. Although that was a filler arc, we also see the previous Guardians of Earth - who didn't seem to be Namekians but may in fact have been old human ghosts. Anyway, I am super excited at the idea of getting to generate some RP with this, and I like to think that if I can cover the spiritual side and we are getting a really active political side going, we can keep the activity rolling for a good while to come!
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Post by Bing Gan on May 25, 2015 7:34:50 GMT
Oh, so no love for Arcose eh? I can see your Saiyan racism shining through very very much here. ( ) Aside from that, I think it sounds pretty cool. I'd vote for Zuni any day as a Trickster Deity type, if she's interested in doing that sort of thing.
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Post by Kayle on May 25, 2015 7:41:54 GMT
I totally LOVE this idea and would so seek her out as a teacher/mentor/kami thing
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Post by Vennel on May 25, 2015 7:55:50 GMT
I totally endorse this as a thing, though the monkey balls less so much. We have enough dragon balls really, and just making ones with possible down sides may not really be enough. I mean, they get a wish granted, if the wish is something like "I wish for immortality" or "greater power" what monkey paw would keep that from being abusable by saiyans? The way I'd see it, any saiyan that would make that sort of wish would just keep using them to make a wish to fix whatever the last use screwed up for them. Instead I'd like to see something new or unique created/done. Though I really can't think of anything suitable. And as for the comment about Arcose. I'd personally love to see something done for arcose, but everything I've seen come from that planet (no offense intended) has been very uninspired, I feel. Either a character who's your typical arcosian, sort of like frieza, or cooler, or cold, or a good guy of some sort, but more or less has immediately left the planet and gone to earth. Now I know the same criticism can be said about saiyans, or vegeta, but vegeta is finally picking up traction as a place where RP happens. So I do feel that it warrants some expansion on it's lore/things happening there, to retain players. Encouraging people to stay on it, maybe never go to earth, just how many earthlings may never go to the planet of evil saiyans, and such, or never go to the frozen wastes of arcose. Another reason I feel arcose gets less love is that so little is known from canon. There has been just enough tid bits or sneak peaks at life on vegeta over the years that a pretty accurate/applicable head canon can be formed about their society that fills in their blanks. ANd to do anything to arcose would basically be making things up. And unless you're as intimate with Toriyama's idea's or characterization of frieza and cold, and their PTO, you'd likely have no idea where to begin or go and make it still feel like something that everyone can look at and say "yeah, I feel thats how they would have been." But I am welcome to someone proving me wrong and trying (please do. would love to see new life breathed into that world.) But that's getting off topic. Back to demon god of vegeta, Yes please, all hail lord Zuni
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Post by Mojo on May 25, 2015 9:18:51 GMT
Fun idea, can only promote RP spreading to Vegeta.
No Dragon Balls, though. That's a namekian thing, and a Namekian Zuni ain't.
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Post by tariph on May 25, 2015 9:33:02 GMT
Hm, Vennel's right, maybe Dragon Balls with a Monkey's Paw aren't a big enough attraction. Maybe Zuni creates a seed that boost attack power! BUT, take too many at one time and you'll be on a rampage with a lowered defense and speed. Ey? Ey?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 9:56:53 GMT
Zuni shouldn't have the power to make Dragonballs, cause that means that theoretically anyone with strong magical power can create them, instead of just magical Namekians
However, everything else I love
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Post by Kayle on May 25, 2015 10:02:54 GMT
I care not about the dragonballs honestly. Whether we get them or not means nothing to me. I only want the thing to go through because it sounds awesome. I'd also be the first player made "Lord" that didn't either have or was based on a real series counter part.
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Post by Zuni on May 25, 2015 13:12:20 GMT
I'm super psyched to see that this idea has a lot of support behind it! I think the general consensus is to drop the Dragon Balls - which is totally fine. (Again, I never intended Zuni to be able to create them herself - I was musing on some sort of Saga several months down the line where she might bully a Namekian into making something she wants) So lets brainstorm what Unique Cool Thing Zuni might be apt to drop onto Vegeta to stir up trouble and be attractive to the local Saiyans. I'd probably try and avoid a permanent power boost because that's something that the Golden Peaches are there to do - and the Dragon Balls exist as a plot device so ideally it'd be something that could spur cool stories on its own rather than being a direct boost in power. Off the top of my head, here's a couple of artefacts which come to mind as something Zuni might make for her own purposes or make to screw with the Saiyans below... or heck, for both reasons!: The Backdoor to Hell: Zuni did, for a brief period, rule a corner of Hell dedicated to Saiyan souls. Perhaps she has access to a mirror or portal which can serve as a doorway to the afterlife for evil Saiyans, giving people a potential - limited - ability to quest to bring their friends back from Hell after they die, if they can find the mirror and brave the trials of that crazy place to get back home. Zuni's Eye: A smoky orb that looks similar to a crystal ball, if you rub the orb and ask it about where a person, you get to see where they are and what they are doing right now. The orb then disappears in a puff of brimstone, to reappear a year later somewhere on Vegeta. Importantly, you don't need to know the name of the person - so you could ask 'Where is the man who killed my parents?' or 'Where is my greatest threat?' and see both who they are where they are right now. This would not necessarily be perfect (for instance, if you asked 'Where is the person who will next be King of Vegeta?' You'll probably get one of a number of options.) Buuut, really, Zuni wouldn't need as many cool toys as Kami gets on Earth to be capable of pushing some cool new plots. I think the peaches would be a pretty big draw on their own, as would her training... at least, I hope so! So I'd be more than happy to take the role without a Dragon Ball analogue at all
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 13:42:06 GMT
Go for it. My suggestion on any special items would be something like the tree of might. Gives you massive power, but at great cost to wherever you activate it. Just like what you'd expect from a Saiyan God's blessing.
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Post by Hyoza on May 25, 2015 13:59:24 GMT
I'm actually going to retract my earlier broad support for this idea.
This is too much of a parallel to a guardian, which evidence suggests is a position connected with the Kais. Kais ain't never gonna give all this junk to a demon.
She's a mischievous demon, it doesn't feel quite right for her to be given all these freebie handouts and a special. I could go into more detail with my reasoning, but slogging through 20+ grades is frazzling my brains, so I'll elaborate more later.
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Post by Zuni on May 25, 2015 14:25:06 GMT
That's a fair point, Hyoza - the Kais certainly wouldn't hand her anything. I'm also not suggesting she should get anything for free except - possibly - the power-boosting peaches (because I'm not sure what the parallel to give up would be for that element of Kamihood). I am more than happy to purchase a 'lookout' and buy the Dojo needed to build a school to get access to the special, and spend the requisite tech slots to learn how to build any applicable Mystical Artefact (I don't think Kami had to spend a tech slot to get the Mystic Water, though? And the peaches would be the parallel there). In essence, it'd be following the precedence that Garlic Junior sets in his filler arc. He intended to just take over the Lookout and declare himself the new Kami by usurping the old one. This is easier on Vegeta because there is no existing Kami. Although it sure would be nice to get a ton of free stuff to help with this, I don't need - or expect - it! If we can work out how much zeni and how many tech slots I need to throw at this idea to make it stick, I am more than happy to put the work in to get there.
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