Defending city attacks.

It was under my understanding that it was pretty much common sense that you couldn't just attack someone's faction base without them reacting. I could go on for hours about this, but I won't.

But this is already being pretty much discussed, soooooooooooooo. :x

Gonna be honest - I think you're all acting a bit like plot-strangling thugs right now . Avalon sustaining an attacked is a cool premise, the intrigue of unravelling those responsible would be a great potential storyline to follow, further disputes much further down the line arising against the Red Eclipse when they are better equip for such would be super cool and a growing rolling momentum would make for great build-up - and instead you want to force a saga not to further an interesting plotline but rather to stamp that out and grind Komoto's face in the dirt.

Put down those pitch forks for a moment and tell me, genuinely, that isn't what this has devolved into?


I don't quite understand.

But it's not so complicated right now, so maybe this answers the question?
There is only two types of thread;
Normal thread - consequences minor(so no lasting effect)
Saga thread - consequences major(lasting effect, decisive outcomes, death-enabled)

Threads don't have their status changed mid way through, a new thread must be made and the previous participants join in if they wish to pursue their agenda from there. Essentially, transition to a saga is like throwing down the gauntlet - both sides have conflicting goals and the challenge has been made.

'Open' or 'closed' is just a player designation people make up to declare if they want others to join or not, in the same way putting a specific persons name in the thread is just them requesting that person to join. We help enforce it with normal threads, but sagas are death enabled and thus also open in nature.

Yeah, or metagaming at worse. It's a can of worms.

(It would be like me using Bao to give Koriza control over Earth or using Koriza to fight Bao's battles. If Evil Rei was the one making Avlon it would be the reverse case, but that is not how it is so the affairs of Avalon and its defence are for Good Rei and allies to see to, not Evil Rei. Ideally you should be writing your character in such a way that these OOC rules are explained ICly too, such as how Piccolo hated Kami and thus they didn't associate[inc. No holy water, No HBTC access, No training at the lookout - not until after dende took over])

I did give this disclaimer when I first mentioned the fission option, but incase you have forgotten: E-Rei can be your 'fighter'(villain), and G-Rei can be your 'lover'(tea-partyer), but they can't be loving and fighting for each other's direct benefit. Regular alt account rules still apply there.
Now it's not an immoveable ruling, dependant on the situation there are circumstances where overlap is admissible for alt accounts, for example with Rei if some enemy expressly kidnapped Grei to get at Erei, then that is a specific element of the plot and would warrant a relaxing of the ruling. Komoto is not such a case, guy isn't even 20,000pl yet...

This.

Just a heads up, because at this point I feel this ABSOLUTELY HAS TO BE EXPLAINED SINCE PEOPLE ARE STILL BITCHING AND MOANING ABOUT IT IN THE CBOX. She's not necessarily evil, from what I gathered after talking with Rei. She's made from the original Reikiko's negative emotions. Just saying that now. I think I talked with her where she stated that Yami-Rei would possibly BECOME more "evil" in a word, but right now she simply does the dirty things that the original Reikiko couldn't do before, because she felt they were wrong.

Again, this is just my look on things.

But I, and some others, feel it was rather justified in what she did. They are two halves of the same person, but they operate differently.

Reikiko is made from all the good parts and is seen as more innocent.
Yami-Rei is made from all the negative parts and is THOUGHT to be evil, but is more misunderstood. She also has a huge temper.

So I don't see how, after I just laid down all that, how you can expect Yami-Rei to stand by and do nothing. Sure, she gives no hugs (hehe censors are fun) about the planet, but what she DOES care about is her other half, which she originally split from to protect her innocence from what had to be done, because her life is connected to that little, tea-partying, Saiyan-loving, somehow harem-gathering midget.

So I partially feel that people are crying out because
 1. They don't understand Yami-Rei fully, and because of a lot of people not understanding her, they assume she's evil.
 2. The opposing players are possibly a bit upset that the powerful character was brought in.
 3. Everyone is a little butthurt about this whole fucking thing.

EDIT: Sorry if I come off sounding.. I dunno what the word is right now. I was pretty pissed when I wrote this because it feels with the now technically ATTACKS, yes plural, on Avalon that we couldn't initially respond to, it feels we have to give up major points of plot we were going to do because of these attacks.

And the real issue, as Tokoz has brought up in a recent conversation, is that people are arguing over the line on this. But really, there's not a line. There's sort of a whole.. Awkward zone. And Komoto, THE CHARACTER (WETHER THIS WAS OOC KOMOTO'S INTENTIONS OR NOT), drove a flaming race car covered in middle fingers straight through that zone and started doing donuts on the other side.

Yes, the line needs to be defined, but we're so far over where the line should be, it's almost cartoonish, because there's no reason we should not be able to respond to something that's going on right next door to us.

And, to clarify again.
KOMOTO THE CHARACTER WAS 100% PROVOKING US, THOUGH I DO NOT THINK THAT KOMOTO, OOCLY, REALIZED THIS. WE DO NOT BLAME HIM OOCLY. I THINK HE IS ACTUALLY A PRETTY CHILL DUDE WHO SOMETIMES HAS COOL IDEAS. BUT THIS WAS A SLIP UP ON EVERYONE'S ENDS DUE TO THIS NOT BEING CLARIFIED IN THE RULES CLEARLY.


SECOND EDIT IN SCREAMING VOICE: WE ALSO SERIOUSLY NEED TO PUT THIS UP IN THE RULES SECTION SO THIS MISTAKE DOES NOT HAPPEN AGAIN.

Leaving aside the matter of myself and my Reikiko character.

Why would someone even have a legit reason for touching/attacking Avalon? It's a faction with no side in any conflict, nor does it declare itself a proper ally of anyone. It's literally a tea-party island. The only possible reason one would target it, or more directly Reikiko is because Reikiko and Yami no Reikiko are connected through the Namekian-style defusion, what means one life depends on the other. To me it sounds less plot and more as a means to settle some, forgive me for the wording: petty grudges.

When I made the defuse plot it was initially because I wanted Reikiko to be a tea-party character. Someone who could have the good-natured side of things, the silly and more light-heated moments, the comedy and all, quite literally without the intentions of involving her into proper conflicts. It's why Avalon even had adopted it's neutral stance and no-violence policy.

Yami Reikiko was meant to become my more brutal and negative character, pretty much the Piccolo to Reikiko's Kami. However, instead of getting this result I seem to have made Reikiko into an easy target for grudges aimed at Yami no Reikiko, and in all honesty it's starting to royally piss me off, to the point that the past few days I'm feeling it leech away any and all of my inspiration and fun for Souls.

Because at this point I'm seeing only three potential options.

Either I start to ridiculously grind Reikiko on power level, so that she can deal with matters herself (what makes no sense due to good Rei's personality). Or I fuse Yami no Reikiko and Rei once more so that people can get go after her as much as they want.

The third option is to sever the link between Rei and Yami Rei, but that would change little aside from removing a part of her plot element and remove a weakness due to ooc things.

Don't misunderstand, I absolutely love plots, and don't mind having rivals or enemies but the way this all has been unfolding, not to mention Avalon being targeted a second time through a closed-door approach (this time with the kidnapping of a construction worker, what is funny since they live on the island during the construction period, and due to the BBA and other benefactors guarding the place it's highly questionable how Red Eclipse got in and out without even a struggle.) is starting to leave a sour taste in my mouth.

If you want to create plots and conflicts, then approach Yami no Reikiko, but don't try to sneak around tea-party land to get at her the easy way.