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Post by Kaula on Apr 30, 2015 10:22:25 GMT
So. I recently noticed something going on in another thread. This.. Somewhat bothered me, considering the thread included not only attacking an ENTIRE CITY but also involved a person going all Great Ape and going on a rampage in said city. Now, you might be wondering why I am saying this here. Want to know why? For one, the thread was a CLOSED NON-DE. Sure, I can understand that. If it was some small city. Planned out a bit between the characters. But the places attacked were not only West Capitol, but also, technically, my factions home-base. Worst part? My character, who would have not only heard about the attack while it was likely happening (yeah, pretty sure word of the nearby capital would travel fast, considering where she also was had BBA members guarding the place) but I wasn't able to join in the protect an important and significant player controlled place.Yes, I understand the place on my faction base could have possibly been scripted between the two parties.. But still. C'mon. Avalon Island is not a huge place. By time the first explosion went off, Kaula would have already been at the scene to try to stop the other two. Now. Why am I saying this? Simple. If you want to be brave and/or stupid enough to attack player controlled and populated areas, it should be an open DE thread. Plain and simple. Attacking a capitol, and a FACTION HOME, in a CLOSED NON-DE THREAD makes absolutely ZERO IC sense and absolutely SCREAMS OF METAGAMING. I have also been told that this was sort of brought up in the past and was told the consensus was that this is pretty much right. :/ Do I need more bold words to drive my point? Maybe. Am I mad about the thread? A little. But I won't scream for it to be taken down or anything. Just understand IC actions have IC consequences.~ Edit: Thread in question is this. I can see what they were trying to do. Trying to have some story progression, but the fact they used both the West Capitol and a faction base with, mind you, no members of said faction present, is what I am bringing up here. It's like if I wanted to attack Big Blu without Vipoi coming in and slapping the shit out of me, so I made it a closed thread with, say, Mu-kal. |
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Post by Toma on Apr 30, 2015 10:31:05 GMT
I agree with Kaula that any threads in a rival factions "home territory" should be all be Open DE threads. For example, with the Z-Fighters, it would be the lookout and any areas inside Fukurou Forest. If someone, say, Komoto for example wanted to thread there for any reason, it should be a forcibly opened thread at the least, as seeing as Toma lives there, he would investigate any hostile ki signatures entering his home. And not only does Toma live there IC, Pieter does too! So even more reason!
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Post by Hyoza on Apr 30, 2015 10:42:40 GMT
I believe this policy should be extended to attacks on any major population centers, as well as Faction bases. These are important regions in the world, and they would be able to very quickly call for help in their defense, if there were not already player characters present at their location. If you are committing to a full-on assault on such a location, you are clearly prepared to kill NPC characters at the very least, and from an IC perspective it makes total sense that you should expect lethal-force retaliation in return.
Therefore, I believe any such 'major attack' threads from now on should be made AT LEAST an open thread, if not Open DE.
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Post by Reikiko on Apr 30, 2015 12:14:09 GMT
My opinion on the matter:
If you're attacking a settlement or even a major population center: Open thread/possibly an Open DE thread depending on the conflict.
If you're attacking a place belonging to another player or faction: Open DE thread.
You guys are literally blowing up stuff on Avalon, an island that prides itself on a None-violence treaty between all inhabitants? An act like that would have alerted a TON of guards in a matter of moments, and you can be certain players would have stepped in.
I'm disappointed that you guys are turning my island into a battlefield T_T At least it should have been an epic battlefield.
I don't even want to consider that thread legit due to its closed nature.
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Post by Kaula on Apr 30, 2015 12:25:18 GMT
My opinion on the matter: If you're attacking a settlement or even a major population center: Open thread/possibly an Open DE thread depending on the conflict. If you're attacking a place belonging to another player or faction: Open DE thread. You guys are literally blowing up stuff on Avalon, an island that prides itself on a None-violence treaty between all inhabitants? An act like that would have alerted a TON of guards in a matter of moments, and you can be certain players would have stepped in. I'm disappointed that you guys are turning my island into a battlefield T_T At least it should have been an epic battlefield. I don't even want to consider that thread legit due to its closed nature. The only way I can see it being legit is if it becomes DE, open, and none of the original three are allowed to ATTEMPT leave until five posting rounds have passed. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2015 13:45:51 GMT
I don't know about 5, but certainly a few rounds. Perhaps 3 or so? Still, I fully support the intent behind this. Red Eclipse sent literal suicide bombers onto Floating Harem Arcadia Switzerland, there's going to be a response.
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Post by Mayze on Apr 30, 2015 13:53:52 GMT
I agree with all the points, but if you do force the thread to be open, don't make it into a D.E.
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Post by Reikiko on Apr 30, 2015 13:56:25 GMT
Why not? They are attacking a Capitol + a player's personal area through a series of suicide bombers? Actions have consequences, especially on terms of the latter.
You don't just walk around trashing stuff without expecting a retaliation. If you start destroying NPCs and areas, you should expect to be open to being destroyed yourself.
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Post by Kaula on Apr 30, 2015 13:58:22 GMT
Why not? They are attacking a Capitol + a player's personal area through a series of suicide bombers? Actions have consequences, especially on terms of the latter. You don't just walk around trashing stuff without expecting a retaliation. If you start destroying NPCs and areas, you should expect to be open to being destroyed yourself. thoughts? I really feel that what myself, Tokoz, and Reikiko pushing are semi-justified. >3> |
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Post by Mayze on Apr 30, 2015 13:58:32 GMT
Why not? They are attacking a Capitol + a player's personal area through a series of suicide bombers? Actions have consequences, especially on terms of the latter. You don't just walk around trashing stuff without expecting a retaliation. If you start destroying NPCs and areas, you should expect to be open to being destroyed yourself. It isn't fair to them. I'm positive they would've never joined if it were a DE, and they didn't know beforehand. I know actions have consequences, but let it slide this one time. Just give them an asskicking, and send them on their way. |
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Post by Mayze on Apr 30, 2015 14:03:53 GMT
If you really want to force open D.E on them, and possibly drive them away from the site, then go ahead. But I recommend you don't, just give them a grading penalty and make it apparent in the RULES that you can't do this.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2015 14:06:55 GMT
Then make it open for retaliation. I mean they have not been silent of who it was that attacked Avalon. With ALL THREE Z FIGHTERS within Ki sensing range they would arrive learn who it was and then well the manhunt will commence for the Red Eclipse. Use this for an opportunity to further a storyline and agenda. I mean the RE have already threatened the lookout once before, this could be a great idea to push along the roleplay by having this malevolent group openly attacking random places in the world. Plus you are forgetting that Reikiko and her guardian alongside the connection toward ViPoi would all suddenly be aware of an attack there. This can be made into a great thing so long as we do not get too salty about it all.
Issue is major population centers have always had to be Open - DE threads.I figure something like Avalon which is getting a board made for it in the near future would fall onto the same category as well as major lore locations based on the moderators decisions.
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Post by Mayze on Apr 30, 2015 14:09:33 GMT
Then make it open for retaliation. I mean they have not been silent of who it was that attacked Avalon. With ALL THREE Z FIGHTERS within Ki sensing range they would arrive learn who it was and then well the manhunt will commence for the Red Eclipse. Use this for an opportunity to further a storyline and agenda. I mean the RE have already threatened the lookout once before, this could be a great idea to push along the roleplay by having this malevolent group openly attacking random places in the world. Issue is major population centers have always had to be Open - DE threads.I figure something like Avalon which is getting a board made for it in the near future would fall onto the same category as well as major lore locations based on the moderators decisions. I'm completely fine with it being open for retaliation, just don't force it into a D.E. It was NOT apparent in the RULES that you couldn't do something like this. Admittedly, you'd think it would be common sense, but still.... |
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Post by Zucceta on Apr 30, 2015 14:11:19 GMT
The thread should definitely be made to be open if you're attacking an area with definite character links to specific individuals.
However, forcing DE seems very extremist and I do not agree with it. I do agree that the defenders of Avalon ought give them a good bruising, to which they're'a'cruisin'.
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Post by Kaula on Apr 30, 2015 14:13:07 GMT
The thread should definitely be made to be open if you're attacking an area with definite character links to specific individuals. However, forcing DE seems very extremist and I do not agree with it. I do agree that the defenders of Avalon ought give them a good bruising, to which they're'a'cruisin'. So can I post in it? |
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