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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 16:31:23 GMT
Alright, so it's been brought to my attention, that people are using Death Enabled threads to gain themselves a Zenkai boost. As Byakuya has stated it should be that a Death Enabled should be allowed, with prior planning, and neither having to die if they so desire.
Personally on my note:
I think that people should not be able to plan out a Death Enabled thread, because the endings would be predetermined, and thus countering any logic on why a Death Enabled thread should be in place. To be honest if we do allow a Death Enabled thread to be in place for training, than it should be open to all to join in that way. Because going into a DE thread, doesn't mean you should take it light hearted, going into one of these means death. And should not be pre determined as a ending that neither will die. I want to know you're guys personal opinions on this point, I'm limiting it to 1 post for each, as I've seen them get out of hand. I want you to post the reasoning on your vote, and what ever happens in this poll will be what the community thinks. This way there is no argument, of people getting at each others throats or what not. As my vote goes towards the fact, Death Enabled threads must either be open, or the ending should not be predetermined so people can get a Measly Zenkai boost, without it being abused. For a fact that Zenkai should not be easy to get, as it is when you nearly die and are brought back from the brink of death. Poll is open now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2014 16:41:38 GMT
I think that the current mechanic for zenkai just lends itself to the lamefication of death enabled threads.
I think it should just be similar to the older version of Namekian regeneration. You get 1 zenkai per 40,000 pl and you can thread it out without having to be in a death enabled thread.
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Kojima
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PL: 21,516; Hidden Potential (x4) 86,064; Items:Scouter, One-Use Space Pod; Zeni: 656
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Post by Kojima on Oct 15, 2014 16:59:08 GMT
de·moc·ra·cy : an organization or situation in which everyone is treated equally and has equal rights The way this poll is designed by specifically trying to control and manipulate the system so that everyone can only post and give their opinion once is directly opposite of what a Democracy is which is EXACTLY what this site is, A democracy. This poll should be setting off alarm bells for everyone on this site especially staff because this thread directly goes against what this site is supposed to be. In case you all weren't aware, Emer himself has stated that you are only allowed ONE post in this thread, meaning you CANNOT discuss this poll properly which means this CANNOT be a democratic poll and goes against the Democracy for which this site was built upon. ![](http://i.imgur.com/WASY6oW.png)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 2:26:02 GMT
Kojima, I can't find anything that goes back that far in the current chat box's history that indicates whether or not Emer actually said this, but that aside for the moment this thread would be better placed in our Suggestions board. That is where most of our topics for voting issues are. I only see two topics of voting nature on this board and for the sake of making sure this is easy to find I suggest we move that there first. My reasoning for doing this is simply because this sounds like a major decision. I hear two people are already trying to play out a scenario where this Death Enabled ability is taking place. To be honest, my opinion is that nothing short of a saga should have this power boost within it. It may cause people's character's to throw themselves into a fight without planning as well how they fight will proceed, how they even survive after death, etc. I will in a moment move this thread if I am able to with my moderator powers. I ask for full input from all characters, especially Saiyans since they so far are one of the few races with this kind of trait. If they do not show up to vote in large numbers it can be taken as a sign that voting on such a topic is not necessary at the moment and that perhaps this is another topic for a future update. At which point, the death enabled thread that I have heard of that is currently going on will be for naught (in terms of this power boost being added to grades) since those changes will clearly not be applied without enough votes or discussion. If you would like to see something changed you all need to be the ones to address the topic and let us know. Now, as for our site's policy on democracy it would be wise to note that everyone is entitled to their opinions here. But constantly using "what can be said/or used against you" is not always advised since even the best media misquotes, cannot back up their evidence as easily as they thought, or end up approaching something from the wrong angle and realizes they may have made a huge mistake. I'm not saying you did, in fact, if you really want to perhaps Pieter or Bao can look into checking the C-Box for these quoted words. Yet as of now note that this is a warning for everyone. We won't have what happened here: wodsouls.freeforums.net/thread/862/community-voting-time?-page=1Happen elsewhere in the threads if we can help it. None of us are super human and if we believe ourselves to be then we really can't differentiate ourselves from our own characters. It's not like our lives are on the line in a life or death struggle, but it's fun to pretend to be. So for now let's go ahead and just continue this vote with open discussion. These are my opinions and I freely state that of my own will. It would be smart if we added this thread below too just to get an understanding of how the Zenkai battle of current note that is being voted on here is actually being taken into effect/or not as the case may be. Without it I think the purpose of this thread is truly lost since there's not an example of Zenkai being shown here yet that's actually occurring in a thread. wodsouls.freeforums.net/threads/recent/968Take note this is a battle between Prince Lettis, Toma, and Maize. All are of full blooded Saiyan descent and as far as I can tell they at least moved past their introductions into the first stage of combat. My question though is how well do these characters really know each other? I ask because every time Zenkai has gone into effect Goku always had an objective he wanted to strive towards: Stopping Vegeta so the Earth wouldn't blow up, kicking Frieza's butt for killing Krillen and Vegeta (after a long journey to even get to Namek), and if I remember correctly in the strangest event of Zenkai's appearance getting his body back from Captain Ginyu so that he wouldn't trick all his friends into letting their guards down (a.k.a turning traitor on them in Goku's body in order to kill them). Zenkai is clearly a power well-furnished to bring out the best of a fighter who seeks to protect a group of people he/she knows well. It's not something that activates on its own just through simple death always. I think Toriyama had a secondary hidden factor added into it which was why Goku and other Saiyans could jump leaps and bounds. It's like trying to understand One Piece's Luffy's Nakama Power or Will of D ability (an ability that works in the same fashion as Zenkai since Straw Hat always gets stronger with his friends around him or when he needs to protect them). Oda drew I believe this from DBZ, but it always has been an interesting/often good way to up a manga plot's emotional struggle. In real life friends and family are an important thing which is why I feel that in order for Zenkai to take effect here on the boards one must be willing to stand in for them if they cannot in a fight. Only a strong emotional threat should provide the power needed to achieve if after a fighter has tried their hardest to take down a strong foe. If Toma, Lettis, and Maize don't know each other well or have a strong reason to fight each other then such an event as the one they host now cannot be considered a saga or even a big event. I have not read the thread in its entirety but I will post more after I have.
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Post by Pieter Wolfbane on Oct 17, 2014 3:40:21 GMT
I've shifted this to the suggestions area to be discussed. Now... My thoughts.
Firstly, Oni is correct. In this democratic forum we've got here, you may speak your mind. Do not berate your fellow members... There's no reason for it.
As for my thoughts on Zenkai... Well, Oni's actually made a good point. Zenkai has been the will of the saiyan or partial saiyan being a strengthening manifestation of the fighter's will to not die and achieve their ultimate goal. The stronger will is made readily apparent right after the saiyan's recovered from the fight, if he/she survived the battle. So, if necessary, a vote will be put down, if the rules of zenkai don't apply already, on where and how Zenkai will apply. It isn't focused on family and friends, though, as Vegeta and Cell both received this Zenkai boost when they had their own personal near death experiences.
Actually... A vote shouldn't be needed on that. Instead, a discussion on the description of Zenkai is where it needs to be applied. Perhaps, though, with this information being put in the open, an aspect in all Character Profiles should be included, so that people can work towards them. In the section, possibly labelling it under Character's dreams/drive in life, you label that information so that we can get a better understanding. Perhaps even a personality section, that isn't optional to fill in, but to help out writing the characters too, but those are different subjects that'll be discussed elsewhere.
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Post by President Bao on Oct 17, 2014 4:55:29 GMT
Okay, to address the concerns: Koj: lets not get over-dramatic ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/5453652/images/ofsV0MEUVGShunSyyIEv.png) , we will follow this through the proper channels and ensure everything is done correctly, but as an opening point in the discussion I see no harm in engaging with this thread with our initial impressions ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Holly: I see no reason to doubt the authenticity of the image, but it is a non-issue anyway. You are absolutely correct that this belongs in suggestions ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/5453652/images/ZxnWxsPNsrKbDgigkogv.png) --- I agree that exploiting the mechanics by declaring a death-enabled thread when it actually isn't is not fair. Personally I do not think zenkai should be saga-only, but it is worth considering how to specifically avoid people gaming the system. (there are a few different ways and I'm sure other people may have thought of a few more. Currently I've run out of time though so gotta get back to work!)
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