Mayze
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Post by Mayze on May 23, 2015 20:12:27 GMT
I've seen a few of the admins mention this before. Can't really remember who, but the credit for this idea goes to them. I'm just merely posting this in a discussion thread to make it... official.
Basically, what a palace would allow you to do, is make your own special technique. Now, you would have to may it from the shop for an X amount of zeni. I'm not sure how much, but definitely a lot. Then you put the special up for grading in the tech app thread. Finally, you write a thread about learning the special. Also, only 1 special per palace. This way, people who don't want to start a school, can simply do this instead.
Again, this idea originates from one of the staff, just posting it here so people can talk about it.
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Vi-Poi
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Post by Vi-Poi on May 24, 2015 2:34:55 GMT
This is something that was discussed by Bao, but never given a price point. I feel comfortable with something around 25,000z, just like the Academy. You either have the option to become a tutor, if you don't feel like it, you don't have to.
I agree it would be a nice option rather than being a tutor, but it should be just as expensive.
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Bing Gan
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Post by Bing Gan on May 24, 2015 3:59:12 GMT
^ Agreeing with Vip here, It'd be cool to see something like this show up. That way we could get some Specials that are a bit rarer.
I might say that either decreasing the price or increasing the price might be something to consider as well. It'd only be by 5k either way, but it could be interesting. (5k extra and I don't have to teach anyone? SIGN ME UP!)
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Mayze
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Post by Mayze on May 24, 2015 4:15:45 GMT
Alright. I think I'll just go make a poll on this.
SHOULD be easy to implement. It would just take someone going to the shop thread and adding in a palace.
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Post by Bing Gan on May 24, 2015 4:19:50 GMT
I don't think that's exactly how it works Mayze, you should wait at least a couple days before you switch from discussion to poll, to make sure you can try and get a lot of opinions beforehand, see if anyone else might have a different option as well.
It also might not be a bad Idea to drop this thread in Threads to Discuss, with a Priority level of whatever you think It should be.
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Mayze
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Post by Mayze on May 24, 2015 4:22:48 GMT
But there is nothing to discuss.
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Post by Bing Gan on May 24, 2015 4:23:57 GMT
I guess not? I really don't know how this works, so I suppose you could fast forward a bit and create a poll.
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Post by President Bao on May 24, 2015 5:05:15 GMT
*raises hand* Indeed, another of my ones, I'm a suggester by nature (it's why I made this place a democracy), and I have a train ride every weekday which lasts over and hour each way.
My thought was that it should be more expensive than the Academy given it's all the perks of being a tutor with none of the 'drawbacks'. A spitball number that came to mind was 30,000, (perhaps 35,000?) since it's a custom monarch role[not just a special ability, but you're also a ruler if you so choose to play it as such]. Not sure if we want to attach a faction requirement.
In terms of implementation cost all this needs is to have the price decided, a blurb written, and then done. Conceptually it's pretty straightforward.
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Mayze
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Post by Mayze on May 24, 2015 5:07:41 GMT
I knew it was you Bao! You had a great idea! I'd say lets go for 35k, seeing as how it does make you a monarch.
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Post by Zuni on May 24, 2015 6:05:23 GMT
I'd pay 30k or 35k, BUT!
I think there should be some clarification around the royal title. There's a few characters who are nobles and suchlike already, and I don't think it'd be fair to charge a whopping 35k just for that title if you don't want the special move that goes along with it.
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Mayze
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Post by Mayze on May 24, 2015 6:08:15 GMT
Well, a palace would cost a lot of money! (How does it cost more than a spaceship? Hell if I know) And a palace could increase your 'right to rule.' Perhaps making a palace marks you making your own Empire, with it's own policies, with its own policies. Similar to the SSE and PTO.
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Post by President Bao on May 24, 2015 6:34:47 GMT
*shug* Personally I haven't analysed enough to say which I think is more desirable myself , ultimately it's more a community preference decision. It is true however that the high price points are intended to help angle these features as things for higher level people, diverting their attention from pl acquisition in order to give other people a chance to catch up, while still giving these high level players something cool to focus on. It becomes more of a question of 'what value do we place on the extra freedoms a palace gives', and what sort of player behaviour and gameplay are we wanting to encourage. ---- Offtopic but relevant to your exchange with Bing:Re; how long to maintain a discussion - it's context sensitive[both the thread itself, and how many other discussions are currently under way which might be diverting people]. Bigger/more controversial stuff is given more breathing room so that people can suggest alternatives or analyse flaws/loopholes/edge cases and give alternative options for the upcoming poll. (we still operate on what I've dubbed 'wild-west' style in the suggestions board XD, a process has been designed[which is why the 'featured' board exists] but no one currently seats it due to lack of bandwidth. You may notice the currently assigned moderator for this section is not present. Unfortunately upgrading the suggestions workflow is a lower priority task than ensuring you guys are getting your threads graded and character apps addressed, since this is a 'nice to have' while grades and such are a 'need to have')General rule of thumb is to allow to breath for a couple of days to see if any discussion picks up, since people live in different timezones and aren't always going to be here every possible moment. This was posted 8 hours ago, so for example some timezones might still be sleeping and have no idea these even exists. Also usually good to consider the given topic not just 'at face value' but also a little further[though careful to avoid going off topic]. A suggestion is actually a 'design solution proposal', which exist to address a 'design goal/problem'. The discussion thread is to give people a chance to look at this 'design problem' and consider. In this case for example the 'design problem' is a desire to have a way of accessing custom specials without needing to be a teacher, and my design solution proposal is to use the existing systems and create a new building type which offers the buyer the ability to choose their own special without the requirement to share/teach it, with a cost trade-off to compensate. One of you guys might have an alternate proposal though, and this thread is your place to share and discuss it, presenting it's merits/demerits and why you personally support a given proposal and hash out further details
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Post by Hyoza on May 24, 2015 13:00:35 GMT
I'd be all for this, though I believe:
A: It should be more expensive than the tutor equivalent since we wouldn't have to teach anyone the special.
B: It should have restrictions on who can have one (e.g. faction leaders with a certain number of members), to stop everyone just saving up for a goddamn palace just to get a special.
I mean, I've been waiting for this a long time, since I'd like to eventually build an asteroid base for the Blackstars once they get more established ICly - to act as a sort of black market trading post and base of operations for the Blackstars themselves, with housing and gravity chambers and so on and so forth. Kinda like what Rei has done with Avalon.
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Post by Zuni on May 24, 2015 13:12:50 GMT
Speaking for myself? I'm more interested in being able to (eventually) buy Nuri's Moon Palace. I intended to do that as a level 3 house, but if a Palace existed I'd feel obliged to buy one and... then I'd have to think of a Special to go along with it.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2015 13:21:58 GMT
I'd be fine with it if it includes two points.
1. Being a bit more expensive than the teacher role. I have a character going for a custom school, which comes with potential responsibilities, leading me to number 2.
2. Being its more of a personal way to gain a special, I don't feel as if this Palace structure should enable a character to teach their Special or take on students. Running a school is not only expensive by itself from the onset, but also comes with the potential of taking on others and teaching them your techniques. Not having to be potentially responsible for that in my mind plays into an in-character opt-in to not tutor and instruct others. This is for the sole character's benefit, not the potential benefit of those who would want to learn from them.
The perk would be a Special to call all your own. You don't teach others this technique, but it is all yours and yours only. The drawback would be making it more expensive, because you're gaining a powerful technique without the need or motivations to teach it to others. It's all the perks of being a custom master with none of the drawbacks, so I feel making it more expensive to obtain and barring said character from teaching their Special is a fair exchange.
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