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Post by Toma on May 9, 2015 18:45:22 GMT
Honestly, from an IC standpoint, sure, Daiki is strong. But he's also 16. He's immature and still needs to grow. I don't think anyone would follow him if he wasn't willing to destroy his opponent.
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Post by Vi-Poi on May 9, 2015 22:45:34 GMT
Hey, where did Daiki's original post go? We're not supposed to delete anything.
Personally, I feel that Daiki, while being the strongest Saiyan, isn't ready to become the monarch of them all. There is interesting RP between him and Wyntre about some sort of political maneuver, but if you look at Daiki's history it's not lined up for Kingship. Daiki hasn't been on Planet Vegeta since he was shipped away as one of those lowborn infant conquerors to Namek, where he was never triggered and raised by adoptive Namekian parents. Further, he has entrapped his violent and more Saiyan split personality in some sort of crystalized ice, making him much less violent. This part in his story I felt was him banishing or exiling his Saiyan tendencies and heritage in favor of Earth tendencies and heritage. For more evidence of this, Daiki joined the Z-Fighters afterward, arguably the most Earth-centric Faction in the game, who has a moral alignment that is philosophically opposed to the Solar Saiyan Empire's alignment.
It might be argued that he's trying to change things, but entire planetary cultures aren't changed from the top down. He'd be swimming against the tide of millions of Saiyans, who would likely see him as a usurper and quite certainly an outsider. How would the Saiyan Council react? The Legislature/Diet? The nobles? The Empire is rising, it's expanding on a brutal but lucrative regime of planetary conquest. Like the Roman Empire, the Saiyan Solar Empire profits from its expansion and relies on its continued growth. Daiki seeks to force peace upon the Empire and halt its expansion. This end to planetary conquest would majorly hit the pocketbooks of the wealthy factions on Planet Vegeta. The SSE has a very antagonistic relationship with Wyntre, the Arcosian Empress. Once it became clear that Daiki was being surreptitiously or secretly supported by the Arcosians, there is no way his claim would go unchallenged.
The Saiyans aren't stupid. They did not subsume large swathes of old PTO territory because they are impractical. The big wheels of the Empire will see a Super Saiyan Daiki as an external threat and act accordingly. I think it'd be very interesting for Daiki to spark a civil war, or a war between the Arcosians and the SSE, because I certainly could see that as a result of this claim. Historical analogies could be like when Catholic heirs were presented and secretly supported by France and Spain in Protestant Germany and England, sparking warfare.
Lastly, Daiki has never been part of a Saiyan-aligned or SSE faction, nor has he spent any significant fraction of his life on Vegeta or in Saiyan space. He is a Z Fighter. To use a DBZ analogy, would Goku have been accepted as Saiyan King, had Planet Vegeta still existed?
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Post by Toma on May 10, 2015 8:55:42 GMT
Daiki said he was no longer planning on becoming Saiyan King. That might be why he deleted the post.
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Post by Doctor Kouda on May 11, 2015 14:26:01 GMT
Maybe Daiki can have a solo arc where he goes to Vegeta and gets some character development. Maybe reconnecting with his forgotten home gives him some form of revelation or maybe he meets likeminded saiyans who are stuck on Vegeta. At the moment, it doesn't make sense but it has an UNDENIABLE amount of potential. I think you should give it a chance but maybe after a solo arc on Vegeta with more leading up to it.
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Post by Kaula on May 11, 2015 20:16:07 GMT
Vipoi, he deleted the posts when he got mad.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 20:37:00 GMT
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Post by Daiki Iranos on May 11, 2015 20:39:56 GMT
Vi-Poi: Daiki went to Vegeta before heading to Earth, BP
Kaula: Stop hating, i said i was simply not going to Vegeta
Yes, i deleted the post because EVERYONE or almost in the forum was telling me to simply drop it and i got tired of trying something new.
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Post by Cipher 24 on May 11, 2015 23:34:54 GMT
First off, Daiki. From what I gathered in the massive argument in the cbox, it seemed like what was ticking people off was that you were assuming you'd get what you wanted easily, simply by being a super saiyan. I might be wrong though, so anyone feel free to correct me.
On to my main point. This whole thing is a goldmine for plot development, and as an aspiring writer, I'll be DAMNED if I let this go without saying my piece. There's so much potential for this.
first off, as people have said, Daiki would have massive opposition to the throne. Daiki pretty much is an outsider, and his ideals would be considered heracy. Would that stop Daiki though? From what I've seen of the character, hell no. I'm sure Daiki would get some supporters amongst the saiyans. After all, he's a thing of legend, and I'm sure some would join him just to avoid having to fight him. What most likely would result would be a civil war for the throne. I say go for it! A planetary civil war makes for an awesome plot.
If Daiki fails, well, he can always go back to earth and leave the SSE crippled after a war with itself. But if he succeeds, there's plenty of plot threads there too.
As many people have said already, Daiki has no experience in politics. Imagine becoming king of an entire empire, hoping to change it for the better, and yet having no idea how to run it? Daiki would have to deal with running an empire, and attempting to reform it against its will, while at the same time try to not be taken advantage of by anyone playing on his inexperience, whether they be Saiyan or otherwise (Hell, I'm sure the Arcosian Empire would LOVE to have a saiyan emperor under their thumb). Picture it like Game of Thrones but with Saiyans...and no incest.
And there's another possible plot point to Daiki becoming king. Daiki absolutely HATES the Blue Banner Army with an almost insane passion. Hell, whenever it's brought up around him, he'd bring up how he's going to destroy it. What's stop him when he has an entire empire at his disposal. As the BBA is now the Earth's official military, this would likely result in an intergalactic war between Earth and the SSE. A massive saga the likes of which we've never seen!
Long story short, Daiki, do not give up. Your claim to the throne has so much potential. Go for that space monkey throne!
Hey, if anything, it would get people off earth and rping on Vegeta. We have other planets, we may as well use them.
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Post by Hyoza on May 12, 2015 9:43:35 GMT
If Daiki goes after the throne, he will die. Of that, I am certain.
But then, I'm not against seeing it play out.
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Post by Daiki Iranos on May 12, 2015 16:23:28 GMT
Hyoza, no one that is supose to care is able to kill me, what is your point?
I had 3 days to think about it, and i'm back on the tract, thanks Cipher for pushing me to it.
1: Like Cipher said, i am a part of legend, many saiyan would rely on me. 2: No one has the power to assume that the whole planet will turn against me. 3: No one on the site that is supose to care ICly about planet Vegeta is able to stop me. 4: The average power of the saiyans is around 6k cannon, making something like 1k on the site. Take a load of them to get me down. 5: I just can't imagine something greater than actually making a change on the history of the next forum, it was my goal from the beggining.
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Post by Cipher 24 on May 12, 2015 16:31:53 GMT
There is more than one way to a kill a Saiyan.
Then again, particularly stubborn ones are really hard to kill. A point in Daiki's favour.
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Post by Doctor Kouda on May 12, 2015 17:15:27 GMT
I pretty much agree with Cipher. There is undeniable amount of potential in this plot idea. I think the plot has been centered alot on the same individuals for awhile now (no disrespect at all, I just personally think that the spotlight should switch between character from time to time in order to keep things fresh, that's all). I feel like this saga could be a refreshing change of pace. With some support, OOC suggestions, and well done character development, it could ultimately be a pleasant step for the community and story.
And I'm not even sure if in-game this benefits my character or faction. I just think that this would be an interesting arc from a writing perspective (as Cipher put it).
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Post by Hyoza on May 12, 2015 19:07:48 GMT
Hyoza, no one that is supose to care is able to kill me, what is your point? I had 3 days to think about it, and i'm back on the tract, thanks Cipher for pushing me to it. 1: Like Cipher said, i am a part of legend, many saiyan would rely on me. Most of them would recognise Daiki merely as un-Saiyan-like, rather than a Super saiyan. Nobody ever said the whole planet, but MANY people agreed that more than 90% of the population would be against Daiki's rule. they've been bloodthirsty space marauders for literally centuries at this point. I think some eyebrows in the BBA might be raised when a powerful enemy of theirs tries to take control of an interplanetary empire. Also, you're still outnumbered massively. Also also, you were explicitly told you could make no claim without allies supporting you. SAIYAN allies, to lend legitimacy to your claim. If they found out you were being supported by Wyntre, nobody would follow you. Your numbers are total supposition. Also, even if that were correct - there are thousands upon thousands of them. Good luck, dude! Mostly we argued against it because it makes little sense for your character and is sucky from a storytelling perspective. The SSE is supposed to be villainous and the only Saiyans we have are you guys rolling out of the Goku factory. It defeats the very purpose of having written the faction this way to have NEVER seen it played straight because everyone wants to be a golden-haired goodie.
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Post by Daiki Iranos on May 12, 2015 20:37:34 GMT
Hyoza there is more bad saiyan than good saiyan on the forum, the evil saiyan faction can be the Saiyan trads and even if there is a thousand of 1k, they need to be at least 1.8M AT THE SAME MOMENT ATTACKING to compete
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Post by Kaula on May 12, 2015 20:48:43 GMT
No, they need to be within 65% of 1.8M
So pretty much 1.17M. The moment I get SSJ, I can compete with you and still potentially come out on top if Kaula uses smart tactics.
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