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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 3:55:43 GMT
Ok so I was told by Bao to post up something to discuss here. As so little amount of people here would like to have their character get killed in order for a transformation to occur. I am talking about the Super Saiyan transformation. As I personally believe that a person should be allowed to attain their own transformations once attaining the power level if a sufficient solo thread is posted out. I am talking about a thread about the same as the one I used for my attaining of the Turtle School for the solo thread.
I want to know what people want to believe with these. Do you want it to be a DE thread be it closed or open or a personal thread. As a closed DE thread is pretty much an invitation to the outcome.
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Post by Toma on Mar 16, 2015 3:59:40 GMT
Honestly, I don't see a problem with it being in a personal solo thread, if it's done right. I'm not saying like "lol I'm SSJ now" kinda posts, I mean with actual character development and reasons for the character to go into that state. Otherwise people will just force it the first chance they get in a DE anyways.
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Post by Vi-Poi on Mar 16, 2015 4:01:59 GMT
I don't much like the idea of closed DEs in general, but that's an aside. I think it's fine if the person goes SSJ on an NPC if there is a compelling reason. For instance, if an NPC that is very close to them gets blown up in front of them, something like that. The only way I'd be against it if the person was like "Oh yeah, and there was this one person that was always really close to me that just got ran over by a garbage truck in front of me, I've never mentioned them ever before, but trust me, it's a big deal and I gonna go Supa Saiyannnn!" So I think it's fine if you go SSJ on a solo thread as long as you've passed the 100k mark and have a good RP reason
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Post by Reikiko on Mar 16, 2015 4:27:15 GMT
Honestly I feel it should be an Open DE, for the simple reason that Bio-androids would literally be put on an even greater disadvantage.
We're the only ones able to obtain a transformation by literally killing and absorbing another person, it's simply unfair if everyone can just obtain their transformations through solo threads, while bio-androids got to basically go into the DE territory just for a chance to get their own transformation.
But since I'm a bio-android I might be biased, but I feel all transformations should be in DE threads, or at least carry some form of risk.
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Post by Tao Lung on Mar 16, 2015 4:41:21 GMT
I believe the NPC Battle should be an option for everyone, although the Pl Requirements could be slightly higher, if anything.
I agree with Reikiko on the bio-androids though. Perhaps that could be remedied by allowing bio-androids to absorb Guards and Minions as well if you paid for them, as an alternative method to attain their transformations.
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Post by Leukocyte on Mar 16, 2015 5:01:39 GMT
At the same time, a Bio-Android ready to move on to Imperfect is going to be rocking a x3 or x4 boost that Saiyans in their weight category don't get.
Since we don't exactly have a lot of people going Super Saiyan, I think its not too difficult if we regulated the instances of transformations. Make sure they aren't just "lol super saiyan" or using cheap "muh manpain" stories.
I do think for the change to Imperfect it wouldn't be too game breaking if the consumed was an NPC. Either a graded solo thread, like the BP, or a DM-run event. To be honest, I just don't want to kill another PC, even if they can come back from Other World somehow.
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Post by Koramund on Mar 16, 2015 9:38:01 GMT
Bio-Android - Semi-Perfect (x13 Permanent) - Requires 120,000 pl and absorption Saiyan - Super Saiyan (x12) - 100,000 PL and Emotional Trauma
Bios not only gain their transformation later then most species (which gain it at 100K), they require the PC death, and then three turns of being completely vulnerable when anyone can show up to stop them. If Bios can not absorb NPCs or be in closed DEs, then Saiyans do not, because Bios have much more flaws in that category to deserve it. Saiyans technically could gain SSJ in a open thread, it never had to be death, it just had to be despair and strong emotion.
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Post by President Bao on Mar 16, 2015 13:29:05 GMT
Saga threads are open by nature,
also, what is this about needing three turns to absorb people? This isn't anything to do with that (no offence but) insane suggestion that was brought up a while ago about bio-androids becoming beacons and taking multiple posts to absorb people is it? XD (As far as I was aware, absorption still worked as normal - you fight someone in a saga/DE, you beat them, and then you chose their fate (kill them the old fashioned way, let them live, absorb them, etc.))
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Post by Reikiko on Mar 16, 2015 15:11:18 GMT
Saga threads are open by nature, also, what is this about needing three turns to absorb people? This isn't anything to do with that (no offence but) insane suggestion that was brought up a while ago about bio-androids becoming beacons and taking multiple posts to absorb people is it? XD (As far as I was aware, absorption still worked as normal - you fight someone in a saga/DE, you beat them, and then you chose their fate (kill them the old fashioned way, let them live, absorb them, etc.)) Okay... This is kind of important then, because if you can just beat someone, and then absorb them (without taking 3 turns) it would make things a bit easier for us on terms of absorbing stuff. Still, I feel transformations should still be Saga Threads in nature, especially for the earlier mentioned reason. At most I would be open to the idea that people could make a closed thread/solo for a transformation that has a low chance of success, but that's all sorts of needless calculating.
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Post by Zucceta on Mar 16, 2015 21:07:08 GMT
I've always been of the belief that the stronger you get after hitting the power requirement, the easier it is to unlock without needing the trauma. For instance, if a saiyan hit 140 or 150k without triggering, he might have an easier time. Stubs his toe and explodes with rage.
Edit: I believe, personally, the same should be extended to other extra 'requirements', including absorption. It was originally my intent to 'throw' an NPC at a bio-android if they couldn't find or beat somebody once they hit a certain point past their req. But this doesn't seem necessary, at the moment.
This is also for Super Namekian, which in the descriptors requires Namekian Fusion. However, I'd be just as happy taking that requirement away.
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Post by Leukocyte on Mar 16, 2015 21:14:35 GMT
That makes some sense. Like how 5k, your Oozaru is out of control. By the time you hit 11k, your good.
Not sure it'd be THAT small a sleight to do it, but yeah I see the point.
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Post by Samphire on Mar 16, 2015 21:57:54 GMT
Considering canon-wise that the two smallest Saiyans got it from fighting someone strong (and probably getting a kiddie tantrum which I totally think is ridiculous), I believe that it should just simply be based on whether the whole roleplay was good and the reason was fully believable once the requirements are met. If it becomes a open thread thing, I just believe that people should be less lenient with giving it out whilst DE threads will provide a more easier time for someone to achieve it due to the risks. If it works out this way I'm completely up for it.
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Post by Leukocyte on Mar 16, 2015 22:52:22 GMT
Tomoe speaks wisdom.
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