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Post by Kaula on Apr 19, 2015 5:26:07 GMT
I'm a simple man so my simple solution was fusion: Both must know dance (and successfully perform it) Both must be same race (or atleast hybrid with that part dominant) Both must have a base pl within 20,000 of each other (number could be tweeked) Both must be physically similar (no krillins fusing with ox kings) Fused Base pl = lower persons base x2, and so any transformations they would have due to this can be obtained. (thus where the being stronger than just X + Y comes in, like how gotenks has ssj3 but goten and trunks alone didn't even have ssj2) Fusion lasts until thread is over. and sure, lets go with turn by turn for control. Keep in mind though, they are fused, they are of one mind, there is no internal bickering cause they are essentially 'neither X or Y' but rather 'Z' comprised of personality traits from both. (such as how trunk's arrogance held in check by his maturity and reservation was clobbered by gotens inhibition and childishness, to make gotenks into a cocky goofball) --- Something I thought of as a bonus element we might consider; Maybe you need to spend tech slots to master fusion *with a specific individual*, since you need to 'synchronise' with them. As for other types of fusion - Potara ignores all the above requirements, it's simply slap on earring and you are fused. This means a higher base pl (since it's not reduced) and less restrictive, but instead of one thread it's perm. In terms of control you'd need to negotiate it yourselves, but likely one person gets control of the char. Namekian fusion pretty much same as Potara, though the one sacrificing their body must know how to fuse. Any aspects such as caste come from the one acting as the base, meaning racial abilities like the dragon clan special are lost (like how piccolo couldn't make dragonballs). The person who is the base controls the new character (though I guess you could always negotiate the opposite). and absorption we already have covered. I like all of this, but could a Saiyan-Human hybrid fuse with a human? I'd like to say yeah.. I mean.. They are similar enough, right?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 11:26:10 GMT
Just to be clear, we would not use Patora right? Because since it's Permanent 2 People would be losing their characters....and that's not really fair. Unless they want to fuse permenately.
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Post by Kaula on Apr 19, 2015 14:49:26 GMT
Just to be clear, we would not use Patora right? Because since it's Permanent 2 People would be losing their characters....and that's not really fair. Unless they want to fuse permenately. We're talking about the dance.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 19:37:34 GMT
Just to be clear, we would not use Patora right? Because since it's Permanent 2 People would be losing their characters....and that's not really fair. Unless they want to fuse permenately. We're talking about the dance. Bao's Post isn't about only the dance
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Post by Kaula on Apr 19, 2015 19:43:05 GMT
We're talking about the dance. Bao's Post isn't about only the dance Eh, true I guess.
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Post by Hyoza on Apr 19, 2015 22:24:08 GMT
No reason not to introduce the Potara. people don't have to use them if they don't want to. And if one person wants to retire a character, a Potara fusion can be a meaningful way to end their story.
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Post by Mayze on Apr 20, 2015 4:10:37 GMT
So, shall we end this discussion, and put it up for vote? Or wait for Zucc's and Pieter's opinion?
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Post by Mayze on Apr 20, 2015 4:12:21 GMT
No reason not to introduce the Potara. people don't have to use them if they don't want to. And if one person wants to retire a character, a Potara fusion can be a meaningful way to end their story. But then how would one acquire the Potara earrings? Would it be an otherworld item, a shop item, a saga item, etc.
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Post by Mayze on Apr 20, 2015 4:13:48 GMT
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Post by Mayze on Apr 20, 2015 4:20:31 GMT
I'm a simple man so my simple solution was fusion: Both must know dance (and successfully perform it) Both must be same race (or atleast hybrid with that part dominant) Both must have a base pl within 20,000 of each other (number could be tweeked) Both must be physically similar (no krillins fusing with ox kings) Fused Base pl = lower persons base x2, and so any transformations they would have due to this can be obtained. (thus where the being stronger than just X + Y comes in, like how gotenks has ssj3 but goten and trunks alone didn't even have ssj2) Fusion lasts until thread is over. and sure, lets go with turn by turn for control. Keep in mind though, they are fused, they are of one mind, there is no internal bickering cause they are essentially 'neither X or Y' but rather 'Z' comprised of personality traits from both. (such as how trunk's arrogance held in check by his maturity and reservation was clobbered by gotens inhibition and childishness, to make gotenks into a cocky goofball) --- Something I thought of as a bonus element we might consider; Maybe you need to spend tech slots to master fusion *with a specific individual*, since you need to 'synchronise' with them. As for other types of fusion - Potara ignores all the above requirements, it's simply slap on earring and you are fused. This means a higher base pl (since it's not reduced) and less restrictive, but instead of one thread it's perm. In terms of control you'd need to negotiate it yourselves, but likely one person gets control of the char. Namekian fusion pretty much same as Potara, though the one sacrificing their body must know how to fuse. Any aspects such as caste come from the one acting as the base, meaning racial abilities like the dragon clan special are lost (like how piccolo couldn't make dragonballs). The person who is the base controls the new character (though I guess you could always negotiate the opposite). and absorption we already have covered. Wait if it's the lower persons base X2, and they have to be within 20k PL. Then wouldn't a person with a 10k PL fused with a 20k PL just be 20k? Adding no benefit? Or do you mean X2 the lower base PL, and then add the two beings Pl together? And for the Transformations, do you mean someone who has a PL of 350k fuses with another of 350k, then they get the SSJ3 transformation?
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Post by Vi-Poi on Apr 20, 2015 4:39:23 GMT
I really like the ideas of Fusion requiring similar body shape, and Hybrid half or same species as well as the idea of fusion needing to be mastered over several slots and practice. Also, I think the turn by turn posting would be more practical, cause of timezones etc. it'd require to form a post together.
I think there should also be a PL bar to pass, as there are with other specials. Percentages would be a better metric than a hard PL count, we could use the 20% number since it's the number where you are effectively considered equal in combat.
Instead of taking the lower number, why not average the two then double the result? Seems more of a fusion that way, math wise.
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Post by Pieter Wolfbane on Apr 20, 2015 19:59:24 GMT
Welp, not really needed here! What you quoted from Bao was effectively the previous site's standing on the matter and it's a mentality I agree with (though one person abused it. Rest assured, we've got better systems to check for this). Though, one factor that bothers me is... Well, take the lower person's pl and multiply by 2. If they are within 20,000 power level of each other, and say they're at 280,000 and 300,000; this does mean the fusion's power is at 560,000. I mean, this is possible with lower level players matching one higher level person, but if the two strongest end up being buddies and having learned this (we can't deny them the ability to learn the technique, unless it's a player to player, master to student thing), then this would mean that, should they maintain training and contact with each other, this could result in a problem. I did, however, point out that this would need to be taught by player and player to player and player... That's probably gonna confuse people. On the last iteration of the WoD life, before it split off to a dozen child forums (and this one being included in that mix), what we ended up trying to do ( President Bao and Zucceta correct me if I'm wrong on this. Memory's hazy) was having the school have not 1 grand master, but 2 grand masters. Now, here's my thought, though, on how this is: The technique was not learned in the Living Realm, but rather, it was learned in the realm of the Dead, on Grand Kai's world... and now I'm thinking fusion via the dance is what the Grand Kai teaches. >.> <.< >.>
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Post by Hyoza on Apr 20, 2015 20:31:27 GMT
Honestly, I'm happy with Bao's proposal, it keeps things simple.
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Post by Mayze on Apr 20, 2015 21:04:06 GMT
Alright then, I suppose we could put it up to a vote after Zucc states his thoughts.
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Post by President Bao on Apr 21, 2015 3:15:13 GMT
@pieter: Fusion wasn't really a thing on Res We had absorption, and namekian fusion that was negotiated to be crazy powered, but I don't recall fusion having a proper rule or such. As for the two masters thing, I suspect you're think of how early on I mused about the idea of the Sword School (the one founded by Goten and Trunks) having two seperate 'schools'(focused on different aspects) and each having sort of 'half' the secret to the fusion dance, but that was just random brain storming before this place even 'opened' @vi: Fusion dance requires the two participants synchronise their power level precisely, the weaker can't become stronger so the stronger has to suppress them self to the level of the weaker(as demonstrated by goten and trunks) and that is what gets brought forward to the fused body. Perm forms of fusion don't have this issue, but the dance does because that's just a drawback of it's temporary technique-based nature. and personally I don't mind so much if it's a percent or the straight 20,000 like I said, I just used that number as a rough guide for the sort of 'closeness' we should be seeing between the two fighters pl.
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