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Post by Kojima on Sept 1, 2014 20:02:09 GMT
Okay so after talking in cbox for a bit about my recently created character I came up with an idea: Racial Variants.
My current character that is up is a Half Saiyan (Or wants to be anyway) however aesthetically wise he'd make a better Cyborg. Here's my suggestion:
Race Variants.
I was thinking about going half way with this, A Cyborg Half Saiyan. Now I know what you're at least thinking "Wouldn't the Cyborg bit override the Half Saiyan benefits?" and while true, Here's my argument for this.
Instead of having it completely override, Have the two parts at a constant "bout" with each other, Meaning neither part of it can be used to it's fullest extent and instead, only half it's true strength until one chooses which side to take, At which point they'd lose the racial perk from the other side. This could be used for all races really so let's use the Cyborg Half Saiyan for an example.
Half Saiyan's racial perk is:
Oozaru (x10*) : Identical to the saiyan transformation (giant ape form, cannot be used manually without technique)
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Latent Power (x6) : Without a tail, a hybrid can tap into a new level of power when angry or desperate. This is a simple 6x boost to power, without any changes to appearance. Like in the source material, this boost can be hard to control, often being used for only a single attack or burst. This can be mastered at 35,000 for activation whenever desired.
An Android's Racial Perk is:
Overdrive (x8) - The android overcharges their bodies with energy, leading to a boost of 8x power-level but causing wear to their internal systems if used for too long.
Now here's my suggestion. Since the two parts would be at a constant bout with each other, The racial perks are both available, However to a reduced degree, Meaning the Oozaru effect would only be a x5 boost, Or the latent power would only be a x3 and the Overdrive would only be x4, At the same time, You could not do a combination of Oozaru and then Overdrive to get a x9, However if you did Overdrive Oozaru you could get a x9, Likewise you could do a Latent Power+Overdrive combo to get a x7 boost however if you popped the Overdrive, You'd still be restricted to the same downsides of not being able to just keep it on endlessly and so if you used it with the Oozaru perk you have a chance of overclocking the system and burning out your Android parts and those being unable to function until you got them repaired and in working order again.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 20:22:49 GMT
I like the way you explained it. It sounds balanced and makes a good point. However variants shouldn't be limited to combo races. We could make a hole tread about different variants of races. Like a true frost demon, this variant of changeling is not a powerful as their counterpart but gains the ability to manipulate ice and their Ki attacks can freeze enemies. their is a limitless amount of possibility to this. and thats why I like it.
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Kojima
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Post by Kojima on Sept 1, 2014 20:24:55 GMT
True enough. We could make several different variant's and I'm more than happy to write up any of them and balance them as best as I possibly can.
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Post by Hyoza on Sept 1, 2014 20:25:55 GMT
So long as the conditions to all transformations involved apply (you can't combine Oozaru and Overdrive if it isn't a full moon) I take no issue with this.
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Post by Kojima on Sept 1, 2014 20:30:34 GMT
Indeed, All conditions are still there, The difference from Variant to Full fledged is that the power of their racial perks is halved, Everything else about the perk stays the same. So if X Perk gives a x20 power boost normally, By being half Android or Half-X Race it's decreased to x10 instead because the two sides are "warring" against each other and making it impossible for their full power to be released.
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Post by Pieter Wolfbane on Sept 1, 2014 20:47:20 GMT
You've got an interesting idea, but here're my thoughts:
1) Gonna use Cyber Frieza as the example here- So Frieza had still been recovering from his near death experience with Namek blowing up, the machines made for his limbs and what not serving as a crutch for the man who really should'a just been dead. He was a fraction of his old self, being only capable to exert, at must, a third of his strength. In the forum's set up, with the Acrosian set up as it is his race and all, Frieza's True Form was x15 as strong as his first form. Now, when he had his body practically ripped apart, only a third of him remained. Even part of his head was gone (god damned Acrosian durability)! So, even if he bide his time, it would take a really long time for his scientists to recover what once was his dominance as a Intergalactic Overlord.
2) Now, in relation to your particular character, being that you'd be a half saiyan, you'd only have a third of your potential power (if you were cyborg-ized). Even your Latent Power would only be at a 1/3 of its power (x2), instead of x6. The zenkai would be cut to 1/3, albeit still there. As time goes on, you can perhaps get the research equipment to obtain such a powerful amount. However, it is very unlikely.
That being said, here's one last thought for ya. We've got a large number of half saiyans in the first place. Why not have the saiyan appearance, but be a android? Honestly, though it's not what you're going for, a android character isn't bad. Androids 17 and 18 were human, but then transformed by Gero's mad experiments into those murderous killing machines.
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Post by Kojima on Sept 1, 2014 20:59:28 GMT
While I can see what you're saying, Here's my counter argument:
Freeza was near death and had barely any of his original power left when this happened, As for my character, It was done when he was close to full strength and was done completely willingly. At the same time, The component that would act as the Android part, Is not actively trying to dominate his body, Instead it's there to aide his innate Saiyan abilities rather than reject them and "convert" him so to speak.
That being said, Perhaps it could work on a more "case by case" basis where someone is judged based on HOW they became part Android instead of what Freeza underwent. If we look more closely to Freeza, As I said before, He was near death and probably would've died had he not been turned into an Android version of himself, While in comparison, As stated before, His 'cyborgization' was more willing and done to a very small fraction of his body. The claw actually only extends to his arm and nowhere else on his body, The 'fusing' that was done was to better aide his innate abilities. The abilities from the Claw itself that are granted he needs to learn firstly and then learn how to control them hence why I didn't add them to the tech list and instead went with his sword instead since he technically had that a lot longer than the claw.
TL;DR version: Freeza was near death and done almost forcefully. Kojima was nearly full strength when it happened, It extends only to his arm rather than most of his body AND his Brain (Which is exactly what happened to Freeza) and it actively tries to aide Kojima's innate Saiyan abilities instead of taking over.
Edit: Now one thing I did just think of, Instead of having access to a dimmed down version of the two different races racial perks, Because of how they interact with each other the boost to his Latent Power (Since he's tailless) would be x9, However the drawback would be similar to the Kaoken attack, Where if it's used for too long then it could wind up starting to be more harmful than beneficial and having the x9 boost start to wear off after a set time while also risking heavily injuring himself if not killing himself if it's used too long.
Edit 2: And as I said before, The primary reason for him being a Half Saiyan is because of Ninjin. Me and him are friends and have RP'd on another forum, So when he brought this up he told me I should try and make a Half Saiyan so that's what I'ma try and do. If in the end the community/mods decide that he can't be, I will change his race and Android is a very viable option since his history doesn't really need to be changed and instead I can simply state that is what was programmed.
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Post by Zucceta on Sept 1, 2014 22:25:34 GMT
If the majority of him is saiyan/half-breed, I'd say most of his power would be based on his organic power. Zucceta was going to have a cyborg arm originally, but she was still a saiyan through and through.
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Post by Kojima on Sept 1, 2014 22:29:11 GMT
Indeed that is one reason I said part of what I did about handling it on a case by case basis. Where in his case, His cybernetic's act to aide his innate powers, However because it'd be increased, There'd be downsides to the increase in power over what others might have, Meaning he'd be at a greater risk of self injury the longer he uses it.
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Post by President Bao on Sept 2, 2014 3:58:31 GMT
Just noting for reference:
Currently your most applicable race is used. eg. a cyborg namekian could go either android or namekian as their OOC racial designation. Maybe if they're all namekian but have a robotic arm they'd chose namekian race, maybe if they had further cybernetic enhancements they'd chose android.
Additionally, you are allowed to 'flavour' your roleplay as you like. eg. changing the name of your transformation and it's appearance, so long as it's within reason. So mister Cyberkian might decide his 'overdrive' is instead going to be called 'Cyber-namek' and involves robotic armour deploying over his body and his eyes glowing green.
Finally, one of my site patch proposals that I haven't posted up yet - Hybrids are natural combination of any two races (eg. saiyan and humanoid alien) Bio-androids are unnatural combinations of up to 3 races (eg. saiyan, namekian, arcosian)
Meaning your racial characteristics come from the corresponding races, and potentially your transformations are named/styled after your 'dominant' race if you chose(though OOCly still follow the hybrid/bio trans requirements and mutipliers).
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