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Post by Zucceta on Apr 16, 2016 18:35:22 GMT
Should minions be treated as independent operatives to the "main" character or minion owner in the case of the main character's death?
I am personally not a huge fan of this idea. They aren't intended as "alternative" characters but as an extension of the main character. You can ICly say that these tertiary characters have been active in the background, but actually using them as an "avatar" if you will for the main's plot to continue through in the living world seems somewhat cheap. Yes, story is the focus of the site, but we do have to give some respect for mechanics, such as death. This seems like a way to work around such mechanics.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2016 18:40:02 GMT
To clarify, this is sorta my fault. I had asked at least a couple staff, including Zucc I thought, though I'm assuming now I'm losing my mind since Zucc has no idea what I'm talking about. Either that, or I didn't fully clarify the situation properly or something. *Shrug*
Anyway, Bastion was doing some stuff in Walker's absence, specifically building the story reason for his minions, placing some stuff, and watching his ship. Had a few threads with him, including passing info on Celmaru, Walker's student. Come to find out, I was incorrectly informed on how that worked, hence all this. I'll stay outta this since I'm the guilty party.
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Post by Reikiko on Apr 16, 2016 18:45:05 GMT
I'm a bit divided on the matter. While I agree entirely that they shouldn't be considered 'alternative' characters, they are one of our only ways of making independent characters related to our 'main character' his or her story, something you technically can't do with how alt interaction is heavily frowned upon (understandable). I'm more than fine with the idea that they can't enter a DE or Saga, but should this stop them from interacting 'socially' with people?
Yes, I'm having some personal interest in this matter because I left Hikari behind on Earth entirely with the idea of her mourning Reikiko's death alongside Reikiko's intentions for leaving her behind (what was to help stir Earth to consider the SSE a threat to be dealt with), but also to serve as an interaction point for people, who due to the frequent presence of said NPC do have some connections to her. But that's less about advancing Rei's personal plot, or getting gains but more as a reason to show another 'side' to the consequences of Rei's death (certainly, one that could be said to had been done in the background, but plotting with everyone who said X or Y to an npc while it's 'inactive' sounds kind of...)
So I would much rather see a clause of a ruling like:
No gains while you're threading with an NPC while you're dead or NPC can't leave a planet nor can they get involved in Sagas/DEs.
than a 'No, they got to die with you or go inactive.'
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Post by Plato on Apr 16, 2016 18:45:11 GMT
I mean it matter. i'm fine with them independent if there said master is dead of course they really aren't going to get anything. just be stuck at whatever strength they are. i don't mind that much. but it really up to everyone but i'm fine with minions being independent.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2016 18:54:04 GMT
Didn't we already have this discussion before? Where Minions had to remain on the planet the user was on, but could RP separately from the user on that planet? Given that the user was dead at the time but the Minions hadn't died, and that the user would return to that planet once they were resurrected in some manner, then the Minions never really left the planet and could continue to be RPed there when the user is dead?
I also believe we had as part of that discussion where Minions when played separately from their owners could only get PL rewards for their threads, not Zeni or any other boosts like new Trans or absorptions and the like for the main character.
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Post by Core Stold on Apr 16, 2016 19:16:36 GMT
I think minions should be concidered as people able to thread on their own, i mean, especially in Walker's case, were they are sentient minion of his own that prepare the ground and try to keep everything under control until he comes back, that would make more sense than... again, in walker's case, Bastion planting himself in the ground and waiting for his daddy to come back, and plus, it adds some pro's to buying minions!
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Post by Brisk on Apr 16, 2016 19:34:16 GMT
Let em RP for reduced gains imo. And they can't enter DE's without the original being alive.
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Post by Kaula on Apr 16, 2016 19:38:54 GMT
I'd be cool with it. I understand why it is the way it is now. But I'd be cool with them being a bit more separated.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2016 19:51:02 GMT
In my own opinion, I think that minions should be fine to RP around the same planet that a user has died on. Perhaps there shouldn't be any gains, but all the minions I've seen/heard of have a lot of character built into them. So much so that they could easily work as their own character in the event of a players death. In the case of Walker/Bastion, I think it was fine that he was building the story while his main character was dead. To me, that actually makes the most sense in the spirit of RP. Once Walker died but Bastion didn't, it only makes sense that Bastion would still be there on Earth to talk with people. If you want to get rid of their gains from threads like that, I suppose it's fine but I feel like Zeni gains at least should still be possible.
There is also a case with Celmaru and his wife, Phae. If Celmaru bit the proverbial dust and Phae didn't, then it only makes sense that she could still roam around just for canonical sense. It just doesn't make sense if these characters don't die that they should still be unusable. Unless their life force is stringent upon the owners own life force.
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Post by Kizuki on Apr 16, 2016 20:01:10 GMT
I'm okay with minions being used, but like most with no gains. Sometimes a character death can put a halt on character development, so these NPCs/Minions can be used to further a plot or even start a new one. Again, no thread gains, though. Seeing as minions already get gains through the main character's own gains.
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Post by Zucceta on Apr 16, 2016 20:04:34 GMT
I could agree to allowing minion use with no gains, so it'd just be for plot advancement.
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Post by Kizuki on Apr 16, 2016 20:10:53 GMT
Also, to kind of go further on this, a character's death doesn't prevent them from playing. Can it be boring if no one is in the AL to interact with them? Yes, of course. BUT! They still get gains from the AL, which essentially means the minions get gains as well. Actually they get bonus gains for AL posts, so the minions get even STRONGER than normal. No point in getting double gains for one character, that's just a bit too cheaty IMHO.
Again, non-gain RPs are fine with me if we are voting on it.
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Post by Alaistair on Apr 16, 2016 20:13:10 GMT
I've no qualms to having outside characters be represented as tertiary characters in the background. Interactive, yes, but not something to be something that is an extension of the character, as that is, as you've said, the idea of what a minion is.
I'm personally running a little thread with Basil, with characters who've had their store taken from them by Alaistair in the whole story. They've been only been as a means of extending storytelling, and as a means of expanding who the characters interacting with said tertiary characters are.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2016 23:30:32 GMT
I think that if we want minions to act as independent operatives, there needs to be a system in place to prevent abuse. My idea is to have two options. The first option is simple. The minion would exist solely to advance plot. However, threads surrounding around a minion would earn no or severely reduced Shoki gains. This would prevent abuse if the system while still allowing plot advances through the minion. The player could also still RP with the main character unrestricted. The second option would also be simple. The minion would take over as the main character. This would restrict the revival of the former main character. The former minion would keep its current PL and inherit the former main character's zeni and items. This would make for more involved personal plots (such as avenging a master or expressing newfound freedom after liberation from a master). This would also, however, come with a natural penalty. The former minion would have AT MOST 75% of the former main character's PL, as the minion keeps THEIR PL. These measures would prevent abuse of this system to escape death.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2016 3:08:25 GMT
I could agree to allowing minion use with no gains, so it'd just be for plot advancement. This would be my vote as well.
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