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Aug 25, 2015 9:29:43 GMT
Post by Kaile on Aug 25, 2015 9:29:43 GMT
I'm just going to go ahead and tell you that I stated that I DIDN'T want anything done BECAUSE it'd involve having posts deleted and an apology. Secondly I WAS scheduled to be IN that very thread, I was merely waiting until everyone posted and by then real life had come in and made it so I couldn't access the internet for 3 days. Not only did he WAITED an ENTIRE week WHILE trying to contact the other two from the previous thread but this time he not only NEVER tried to contact me but he only waited TWO days. I also made it very apparent in the cbox that I APOLOGIZED to Aspa for what I did. I don't blame you for not realizing the second part about me having apologized, however I will blame you for the first statement as I had stated VERY clearly that I DIDN'T want anything done BECAUSE of it involving posts being deleted. I didn't "bully" anyone off the site, he took it too harshly when literally all i was even doing was stating FACTS that he couldn't cope with. I stated the fact that he HAD skipped me and that he HAD knowledge I was going to be in the thread. I didn't "bully" anyone. It didn't take three warnings to get me to "stop", it didn't take two mods to get me to "stop". Just because two mods say something doesn't mean it took two, please do not try to make this seem worse than it is Kaula. Next, I DID handle it in a civil and level-headed manner until I was being blatantly accused of being the bad guy in the entire thing, THAT'S when I blew up. But does anything happen to anyone else? Of course not because I'm the bad guy. I'm the one that blew up so I'm entirely to blame right? Of course. Great now that that's out of the way let's continue. "Bad behavior in the c-box".... You're kidding me right? I see this done multiple times while staff are present and nothing is ever done. You can't just pick and choose who gets hit with this kind of rule, EVERYONE should be applicable to it at ALL times. If someone is having bad behavior they need to be told IMMEDIATELY, not picked and chosen when the staff feel it's right. Also; according to staff you're in charge of grading. You're not fully staff. So stating that "Two staff members told you" isn't actually valid from how I'm interpreting it. And before you say anything I was told that by a staff member who I will not name. Yes you are a staff member, however you're in charge of grading nothing else and you aren't a "full" moderator yet as stated by staff so please when discussing this kind of thing until I'm told by staff that you're still considered to be full staff when it comes to anything involving staff I don't see you being applicable to be qualified as a "Staff member" during these types of things when it involves the Cbox. Not saying that to try and be a dick, that's simply how I'm seeing it and if that is wrong please tell me and quote another staff member saying as such and I will give you a full formal apology for it but this is simply how I'm interpreting the information that is made publicly available to me based on what I've been able to find and ask about. But just to appease you, here's a screenshot of the conversation stating that Kaula is not a full moderator. Also: The reason is "See above"? Wut? You reason is listed below it, not above it... (This is a minor thing and more of a typo I believe) To my knowledge that thread was simply supposed to be a continuation of the previous one which I HAD joined and therefore I believe it fully reasonable to believe that I WAS already in that thread even if I hadn't yet made my first post due to real life issues. Again, I was given 2 days with nobody trying to contact me in anyway whether it be via skype or on the site. There are several members on the site that had me added on skype at the time and EVERYONE can pm me on the site and EVERYONE knows my account name so there's literally no excuse. Again, I don't even give a shit that it was me that was skipped, it was the fact that someone was skipped. 1) Aspa PERSONALLY invited me into this thread which lead me to believe he actually wanted me in the thread. 2) Aspa accuses me of "always starting drama between us" when that flat out is a fucking lie. We've had drama TWICE since I joined the site, Once when I first joined and again today. 3) Someone was skipped after 2 days from the last post without ANYONE trying to contact them about it while the other two that weren't even skipped, they were KICKED from the thread entirely after not being logged in for a week WHILE HE TRIED TO MAKE CONTACT WITH THEM FOR THAT ENTIRE WEEK.
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Aug 25, 2015 10:24:59 GMT
Post by Kaula on Aug 25, 2015 10:24:59 GMT
I'm just going to go ahead and tell you that I stated that I DIDN'T want anything done BECAUSE it'd involve having posts deleted and an apology. My mistake there, then. Secondly I WAS scheduled to be IN that very thread, I was merely waiting until everyone posted and by then real life had come in and made it so I couldn't access the internet for 3 days. Not only did he WAITED an ENTIRE week WHILE trying to contact the other two from the previous thread but this time he not only NEVER tried to contact me but he only waited TWO days. What can I say. Thems the breaks. You never posted in absences, to my knowledge. Besides, they were just thinking you would jump in a round or two after since you were gone. You know, like a lot of people would. Not get mad at them for skipping you.. :/ I also made it very apparent in the cbox that I APOLOGIZED to Aspa for what I did. I don't blame you for not realizing the second part about me having apologized, however I will blame you for the first statement as I had stated VERY clearly that I DIDN'T want anything done BECAUSE of it involving posts being deleted. I didn't "bully" anyone off the site, he took it too harshly when literally all i was even doing was stating FACTS that he couldn't cope with. I stated the fact that he HAD skipped me and that he HAD knowledge I was going to be in the thread. I didn't "bully" anyone. I never saw anything. And yes, please, attack me personally because someone misunderstood something, but we'll get back to that. It didn't take three warnings to get me to "stop", it didn't take two mods to get me to "stop". Yes it did. You refused to stop the first two times a mod had told you to. It took a second mod to come in and tell you again before you finally stopped. Just because two mods say something doesn't mean it took two, please do not try to make this seem worse than it is Kaula. Next, I DID handle it in a civil and level-headed manner until I was being blatantly accused of being the bad guy in the entire thing, THAT'S when I blew up. But does anything happen to anyone else? Of course not because I'm the bad guy. I'm the one that blew up so I'm entirely to blame right? Of course. Great now that that's out of the way let's continue. We never said you were just the bad guy. We even conceded that Habana was the one that started it. That's why she not only got a warning but she also already served her sentence. "Bad behavior in the c-box".... You're kidding me right? I see this done multiple times while staff are present and nothing is ever done. You can't just pick and choose who gets hit with this kind of rule, EVERYONE should be applicable to it at ALL times. If someone is having bad behavior they need to be told IMMEDIATELY, not picked and chosen when the staff feel it's right. Never said we did do that. Also; according to staff you're in charge of grading. You're not fully staff. So stating that "Two staff members told you" isn't actually valid from how I'm interpreting it. And before you say anything I was told that by a staff member who I will not name. Yes you are a staff member, however you're in charge of grading nothing else and you aren't a "full" moderator yet as stated by staff so please when discussing this kind of thing until I'm told by staff that you're still considered to be full staff when it comes to anything involving staff I don't see you being applicable to be qualified as a "Staff member" during these types of things when it involves the Cbox. Not saying that to try and be a dick, that's simply how I'm seeing it and if that is wrong please tell me and quote another staff member saying as such and I will give you a full formal apology for it but this is simply how I'm interpreting the information that is made publicly available to me based on what I've been able to find and ask about. But just to appease you, here's a screenshot of the conversation stating that Kaula is not a full moderator. The weakest point of your argument, right here. You were simply misinformed. The fact you're still insisting that I am not staff after you were already informed that I am, in fact, staff is kind of funny to me, though. Maybe you just didn't see that, though. Thank you for actually being kind, though, and leaving the other staff member's name out of it. Also: The reason is "See above"? Wut? You reason is listed below it, not above it... (This is a minor thing and more of a typo I believe) lol ment post above for the pics. Fixed it. Silly me. x3 To my knowledge that thread was simply supposed to be a continuation of the previous one which I HAD joined and therefore I believe it fully reasonable to believe that I WAS already in that thread even if I hadn't yet made my first post due to real life issues. Again, I was given 2 days with nobody trying to contact me in anyway whether it be via skype or on the site. There are several members on the site that had me added on skype at the time and EVERYONE can pm me on the site and EVERYONE knows my account name so there's literally no excuse. Again, I don't even give a shit that it was me that was skipped, it was the fact that someone was skipped. You aren't in a thread until the first post, by you, is made. Simple as that. 1) Aspa PERSONALLY invited me into this thread which lead me to believe he actually wanted me in the thread. Willing to be he personally invited everyone to that thread. 2) Aspa accuses me of "always starting drama between us" when that flat out is a fucking lie. We've had drama TWICE since I joined the site, Once when I first joined and again today. Don't know enough to comment on this. 3) Someone was skipped after 2 days from the last post without ANYONE trying to contact them about it while the other two that weren't even skipped, they were KICKED from the thread entirely after not being logged in for a week WHILE HE TRIED TO MAKE CONTACT WITH THEM FOR THAT ENTIRE WEEK. You didn't post in absences and, ontop of that, the time for skipping in DEs without proper warning beforehand is two days. In normal posts, they can probably skip you whenever they want. It's an RP. Don't get all caught up on when you're coming in. So what if you don't post in on round one. Come in on round three and have some fun. e,..e
Anything else? Please, try to keep your comments about me a bit more respectful. Some of these certainly felt like personal attacks. Edit: Anyway. It's 6:40. Kind of tired of dealing with all of this. Gonna sleep soon. Feel free to get mad at me over posting this defending the warning or whatever, just not on the site, please. Right now, I only see you getting lowered to 20 right now since we don't really have pictures of your whole tiff over getting skipped by Aspa. I hope you have a good night and you come back to the site more levelheaded after some sleep.
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Aug 25, 2015 10:42:00 GMT
Post by Kaile on Aug 25, 2015 10:42:00 GMT
ookay first off
WHEN THE FUCK WERE WE TALKING ABOUT HABANA!? In your original claim you made it clear you weren't reporting me about habana... where the fuck did this come from? I thought this was about the Aspa incident. Don't even get me started on Habana.
Secondly
WHAT FUCKING PART ABOUT IT WAS MEANT AS A SIMPLE BLAND RESPONSE DOES NOBODY FUCKING UNDERSTAND!?
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.
I even fucking apologized for this shit. Fucking sorry for fucking making a god damned response to a fucking statement you made based on the fucking information THAT STAFF HAD FUCKING GIVEN ME.
God fucking damn, I'm sick and tired of this shit. I'm not going to remain calm about this anymore, I made my apology, I was misinformed and I MADE IT FUCKING EVIDENT THAT I DIDN'T MEAN IT TO BE RUDE AND I EVEN FUCKING APOLOGIZED FOR IT!
It WASN'T a fucking provocation to an argument thank you very much. You people have been fucking constantly berating me trying to state that everything I say is toxic and that I'm always trying to fucking start a fight. You want me to start a fucking fight with staff? BECAUSE I FUCKING CAN. If I wanted to fucking start a god damned fight I would simple as fucking that. It was a miscommunication on my part AND I FUCKING APOLOGIZED FOR IT. Jesus fucking christ.
I sent Aspa an apology as well about what I had said because I realized it might've seemed hurtful, Whether he cares or not I can't say nor do I honestly care anymore. I gave him his apology, if he refuses to accept it that's on him not me. I gave you a sincere apology as well though clearly you don't give a shit which honestly makes me wonder if I should even bother apologizing in the first place. YES I fucked up, YES I'm sorry about it but from how it honestly seems my opinion doesn't fucking matter to anyone and this only further proves that point. You fucking sit here and say it was spiteful and tactless, y'know what? If I wanted to be spiteful I'd of said something FAR FAR worse on the same lines as the other person who I won't name said to you. BUT I FUCKING DIDN'T. I was stating a fucking simple response that a STAFF MEMBER TOLD ME because I figured you'd want to fucking know, My fucking bad. So here, I'll fucking say it again in big bold fucking letters for you.
I'M SORRY FOR BEING A DICKFACE KAULA!
Now that that's out of the way let's get back to what we had originally be talking about.
You didn't post in absences and,
What part of I WAS TAKEN AWAY FROM INTERNET FOR 3 DAYS does nobody understand? Sure let me just set aside ALL of my real life stuff to magically pull a computer with internet out of my ass and post in absences for you and set aside my entire life.
I said this over 5 times in the time the whole Aspa thing was occurring but clearly nobody fucking cared which, yet again, proves my point that staff are ignoring my statements and opinions.
Never said we did do that.
No, you never said that you did it. But your actions do. As I stated in my post which you obviously missed, it happens a LOT in the c-box and none of the staff give a shit except for select few cases that they deem have finally broken it. The fact of the matter is I don't give a shit that it was me you chose, it's the fact that the staff don't do it to EVERYONE who breaks it. If you honestly insist I'll screenshot and spam the staff with the pictures every single time so that way you guys can see it. Is that what you want? Because I can easily do that.
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Aug 25, 2015 11:02:01 GMT
Post by Kaula on Aug 25, 2015 11:02:01 GMT
Right.. Gonna skip past over how a lot of how rude and uncalled for all this is, lots of f-bombs dropped. In fact, when I see it, it brings to mind a member who was banned before. I don't think you're really understanding about your response, though. Sure, it's bland. I.. Guess..? But just because it's bland and, at the time, what you considered to be a fact.. Doesn't mean it's not rude. What you pretty much said is "You are actually lying about what you say you are" when it comes down to that. Also, to further my point, you can say the phrase "You look so disgusting right now." bland and it would still be rude. Again, I don't see.. The whole point here. Alright. You were gone for a few days. So what? Life went on. The site doesn't revolve around you. They didn't need your permission to go on and RP. It certainly wasn't a DE. You weren't able to post to absences, so they had no clue how long you would be gone for. Edit: I also know for a FAAAAAAACT you definately weren't the only one "personally" invited who got skipped over. So don't worry. And alright. Feel free to screenshot it. If you want to try to file reports; go ahead. But if you do "spam" it, know you'll get in trouble pretty easily for it. You aren't really supposed to post it into messages; anyway. It should go in grievances and appeals so that mods don't, in fact, get spammed.
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Aug 25, 2015 11:11:31 GMT
Post by Kaile on Aug 25, 2015 11:11:31 GMT
I don't think you're really understanding about your response, though. Sure, it's bland. I.. Guess..? But just because it's bland and, at the time, what you considered to be a fact.. Doesn't mean it's not rude. What you pretty much said is "You are actually lying about what you say you are" when it comes down to that.
LITERALLY NEVER SAID IT WASN'T. I EVEN ADMITTED THAT IT WAS AND APOLOGIZED TWICE NOW FOR IT! I NEVER ONCE CLAIMED IT WASN'T RUDE AND AGAIN I FREAKING APOLOGIZED FOR IT JESUS CHRIST
and, AGAIN, you're further proving my point that I'm not actually having my words read. Did you even acknowledge the fact I just apologized? NOPE. You went right back to the issue. I, FUCKING, APOLOGIZED. Jesus christ. I don't expect you to forgive me for it but for the love of fucking god at least acknowledge that I gave you an apology god damn. I haven't once tried to say it wasn't rude, Not a single time. I've stated that I didn't mean it that way, I've stated that it was meant to be bland and I've stated THAT I WAS IN THE WRONG. and again, I've apologized for it multiple times. I never said I was the only one, Hell for fucks sake I stated I DIDN'T CARE THAT IT WAS ME. Once again you're AVOIDING MY POINTS and going straight back to the issue, try actually acknowledging the fact that your issues are being responded too for once jesus christ. Here, Let me dedicate an entire paragraph to JUST responses.
I fully acknowledge that what I said to you was rude and I apologize sincerely for it a million times over, I promise it won't happen again as to avoid further earning yours or anyone elses ire. As for the thread, I never stated I was the only one, I stated that I didn't even care that it was me that was skipped. I stated that it was the fact that it happened without anyone trying to contact the person, or people, who were skipped before they were simply skipped especially when Aspa had just given two other people an entire week while trying to contact them.
There hopefully that clears things up for you Kaula and hopefully you'll actually acknowledge the fact that I'm giving you direct answers to your qualms and issues. "Uncalled for"? No. If you had actually read it you'd see it was very much called for. I've been ignored and berated by staff this entire time about this shit when I've made apologies for it, my apologies went unacknowledged and despite my best attempts at reconciliation they've all been ignored as well. Everyone of my points has been ignored and only the issues have been brought up, never the fact that I've both apologized and acknowledged I was in the wrong.
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Aug 26, 2015 4:06:32 GMT
Post by President Bao on Aug 26, 2015 4:06:32 GMT
Kaile (I'll use your character name since we are now in context of the forum), allow me to step in as 'presiding overseer'(so to speak) for this appeal. I feel such abstraction will benefit the topic, though if you object then by all means let me know and I will attempt to make an alternate arrangement. --- First I must strongly recommend that you maintain a level head and approach an appeal in a strict, unemotive/earnest manner. Think of it essentially like a court case, while certain appeals are more informal in nature a warning regression is something to address in a professional manner to demonstrate you are in the right and have a constructive outcome. ((the site rules apply just as much here as they do anywhere else, I am being lienient in the hopes of an amiable conclusion but if you do not settle your conduct and act in a respectful and civil manner you are liable for further warnings/actions as per our rule process. I know you are frustrated, but take whatever time you need to calm down and clear your head before proceeding) Also be aware that to be successful, an appeal should construct evidence to prove the innocence of the one who recieved a warning, or otherwise utilise past precedent to justify a proposed alternative outcome. This all sounds very business-like, but I feel it's important to maintain such a systematic approach given what certain grievances board topics can (and in this case is) represent(ing). After all, we want appeals to have meaning and give fair unbiased outcomes. --- Having been witness to the situation I can confirm that you were indeed requested multiple times by a number of staff to cease and desist. The manner in which you approached the situation is not one which I would like others/yourself to use, as there are calmer more amiable ways of resolving the kind of issue you had with the situation. On initial impression this indicates that a warning is indeed within the applicable courses of action given the rules cited, but I am entirely open to hearing your appeal so do not take this the wrong way, I am merely establishing the preliminary notes. Now, to confirm so that we are sure all are on the same page: What is the result you are appealing for? What purpose is this thread aiming to serve in your opinion(as it's creator), so that we know how to proceed in a constructive manner and measure the evidence for/against this desired outcome. I will respond further after you have had a chance to answer.
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Aug 26, 2015 5:07:06 GMT
Post by Kaile on Aug 26, 2015 5:07:06 GMT
Well first off I want the staff to actually acknowledge that I admit to my mistakes, Secondly I want them to acknowledge the fact that I APOLOGIZED in both instances and thirdly the aim of this thread was to point out the fact that the 5th rule that Kaula has so chosen to enact is being enacted solely based off her opinion that she should throw it in. As I've stated before I've seen this rule broken countless times in the c-box and nothing ever being done about it. Either this rule needs to be removed entirely or it needs to ALWAYS be enforced, and not just thrown about willy nilly whenever the staff deem they want too. It also needs to be further explained out and state as many possible instances it can be used and why. As it stands it ONLY covers when someone is asked to stop discussing something and nothing else, if this is the case then it can be applied to not only a very VERY VERY VERY small amount of things but it can almost NEVER be applied which renders it almost entirely pointless to even have and would be better served simply adding it to a different rule such as the "Act maturely" rule since as it's currently written that's honestly all it's doing is trying to "get people to act maturely".
Now that that's out of the way let me remind you that I DID approach this initially just as you say I should and then Kaula continuously ignored the fact that I made my apologies, that I stated clearly that I understood I made a mistake and honestly that second bit DESPITE having almost immediately apologized and tried to clarify the situation was made purely out of spite for what had been happening that day. It wasn't made with a clear mind as the staff should ALWAYS do. On top of this, the "issue" that was brought up wasn't even anywhere near the level of disrespect she claims I'm making as the other incident that was done to her and need I remind you she was wanting an apology and she'd drop it. I gave her an apology and what'd she do? Still reported it. So 1 of 2 things need to happen. 1) No apologies can stop offenses or 2) She needs to drop the accusation because I gave an apology. And this needs to apply to EVERYONE in ALL situations not just a select few whom the staff deem worthy of such. I've tried discussing this with staff and it always devolves into them ignoring my acknowledgements and apologies and that's what sets me off. I've stated several times in this thread alone that I did wrong and that I'm sorry for it but those acknowledgements have yet to be acknowledged by ANYONE including you Bao. In your entire post you never ONCE state that you saw my apology and only ever stated the problem and that's another reason I blow up at the staff. If you want me to continue about this calmly and civilly then you need to show me the same respect. I acknowledge everything in your post but the staff only acknowledge what they want in theirs. Either acknowledge everything in mine, or I'll start doing to you what you do to me and only acknowledge what I personally wish and this will simply turn into nothing but a rage war between myself and staff and end up in someone getting banned, most likely me because staff hold all the power and can simply ban me for any reason they see fit... Even if there isn't one. And then I can't appeal it at all. Because, y'know, I'm banned. I also won't have any knowledge of how long it is if there is even a set duration that isn't permanent.
P.S. I've stated numerous times so let me just reiterate it once more for you. I know what I said was taken as rude and it wasn't meant as rude. I quickly acknowledged this when it was being said that it was rude and tried to clarify that it wasn't meant to be rude and was merely meant to be a response to her statement based off the information I was given by a staff member who themselves had been misinformed. NOBODY acknowledged the fact it was meant to be bland and only ever blasted me and bashed me for it being interpreted as rude. I've lived by this statement all my life: Do NOT blame me for how YOUR brain interprets things. And that statement applies here, It's not my fault she interpreted a bland statement as rude, it's her own fault based off the events that had already transpired earlier that day that she decided to assume it was me trying to start a fight when I had absolutely no intention of doing so and even stated so immediately after she said I was. Despite this, she and everyone else continued to insist it was like they fucking know my brain and know what I was thinking when I posted the comment I did. It's highly disrespectful especially when everyone, yourself included, continually disregard anything I say and only tell me the problem. I've acknowledged the problem and I've given my attempt at fixing it but apparently it isn't good enough for any of you because none of you have acknowledged it... And again yes, this does include you Bao.
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Aug 26, 2015 5:20:28 GMT
Post by Kaula on Aug 26, 2015 5:20:28 GMT
Just going to say I have not only seen her apology to myself and to Aspa, Bao I have given you the links to the picture of the apology to Aspa, both were so extremely rude that I don't believe that either are really considered apologies by the people who received them. Can't really speak for aspa, but mine was filled with so many "fuck"s that I'm offended she thinks that's a proper apology.
Not really going to bother reading all of this fully, anyway. Just needed to remind you of that, Bao.
I would also like to insist that we push her ban to 100%. It is not known if this is true, but some of the staff thinks she is a member we have permanently banned in the past. And, even then, because of how she's acting she is extremely toxic to the site.
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Aug 26, 2015 5:27:29 GMT
Post by Kaula on Aug 26, 2015 5:27:29 GMT
She just got mad that I told her to leave the cbox after she tried to instill some more drama into some members. Laid down some hard truths. She tried to make a warning towards me (lol) even though only staff can do it.
Still pushing for a permanent ban.
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Aug 26, 2015 5:28:11 GMT
Post by Kaile on Aug 26, 2015 5:28:11 GMT
excuse me? I gave you a sincere apology the first time WHICH YOU IGNORED. The apology to aspa, tyvm, Was actually sincere as well, here let me post the actual apology.
let's also not forget now that you just ignored my request for you to leave this topic on the forums TWICE. Do rules not apply to Mods? You sit here and say I'm trying to start drama WHEN I'M FUCKING NOT. I was merely telling him to be careful because this kind of situation happened to me and I didn't want it happening to him. Stop fucking trying to say that I'm the bad guy for once and pay attention. Jesus christ.
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Aug 26, 2015 5:31:38 GMT
Post by Kaula on Aug 26, 2015 5:31:38 GMT
Way to leave out the whole message.
That is extremely rude for a "apology"
And I had to step into the cbox because you went to try to instill drama in the cbox so I told you to leave. You refused to leave. You got mad. You spammed the shoutbox. You posted a fradulent warning.
I am talking with the other staff members to have you permanently banned now.
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Aug 26, 2015 5:32:18 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 5:32:18 GMT
To be fair it doesn't really seem sincere given wording at times as well as other comments before and after apologies. How you word something and what you say before and after can make a apology mean less as well as lessen its meaning. You kinda come off as rude with some of the thing as well and it does get people upset As well as going to a warning rather then propal channels since only staff are supposed to do that is a little out of hand. >.> I don't know about perm ban but it definitely seems like something a little more further along might be needed. :/ Getting all tough and angry as well as using constant profanity isn't really the proper way to state you are sorry or working on the problems.
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Aug 26, 2015 5:34:37 GMT
Post by Kaile on Aug 26, 2015 5:34:37 GMT
excuse me I didn't. The apology was in the second line which I posted thank you very much Kaula. you ignored my request TWICE, broke the rule you want to accuse me of TWICE, but do the staff care? No. They don't. Because staff are immune to rules.
YOU ATTACKED ME FIRST!
You sit here and blast me by saying that I'm intentionally doing this or that WHEN I'M NOT. It was FRIENDLY WARNING TO HIM SO HE KNOWS WHAT COULD HAPPEN IF IT'S TAKEN THE WRONG WAY NOTHING ELSE. But instead you sit here and tell me that I'm intentionally trying to start drama or start shit with everyone WHEN I'M NOT. This is my exact point that I've been trying to make but have been having ignored. My opinion, no matter how I state it, is always taken as immediately toxic and repulsive and bad and ever other negative possible outcome NO MATTER HOW IT'S SAID AND NO MATTER WHAT I SAY.
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Aug 29, 2015 10:57:43 GMT
Post by President Bao on Aug 29, 2015 10:57:43 GMT
As a parent or teacher has no doubt said to you at some point or another in your life; 'I don't care who started it I'm finishing it'
((I apologise for my absence, I hope given your own situation you will be understanding))
Kaile, this community has certain expectations of it's participants and the way you have been acting is not acceptable, in reflection of this you were issued with a warning and subsequent warnings when this conduct continued.
However I see this has stopped off so lets wrap up. You stated above your goals for this thread were the three following outcomes; > staff to acknowledge you apologised, > staff to acknowledge that you admitted you were rude, > staff to consistently enforce rule 5 (the cbox conduct rule).
This currently does not indicate an objective to have the ruling changed or the warning adjusted, making this more of a social than a civil matter(except for the last one). Assuming this is correct, and given the evidence I have witnessed/been offered here I will provide the following towards those goals as a closing concession:
I will truthfully acknowledge that you created a message where you said the words 'I apologize'. I will also truthfully acknowledge that you have indeed admitted you were rude, you continued the aggressive/rude behaviour while doing this but you did indeed admit you were rude.
And lastly, the final one is an ongoing process so I can only offer the following; If you witness anyone breaking cbox rules then you need to take a screenshot and report it to myself and the other staff (make sure all admins are copied in, plus however many moderators you feel like including). Without evidence/solid testimony we can't support a warning, you will notice your own warning included such evidence for this very reason. So if you are indeed correct and have seen this rule broken please do your part to help us enforce the laws of this site consistently and fairly.
I believe this 'case' has gone on enough that we could move to a verdict if desired. If you are unhappy with the above as a closure to this matter, and have no further evidence/testimony you wish to make, then this can be taken to the community for a final binding resolution(though with no rule change or warning adjustment being filed for it is a little unusual).
------- More generally to address your questions/comments;
Based only on what I have seen myself here so far I'd posit that your apologies aren't being 'heard' because your actions are speaking so much louder. Saying you are sorry while continuing to do the very thing you were in trouble for generally indicates disingenuity. You keep saying you didn't mean to be rude, while actively still being rude and aggressive. Your intentions are irrelevant if your communications are so poor that they cannot lead credance to these claims.
An unfortunately reality of that is, if you are indeed unable to communicate harmoniously with your peers, then your participation here is not desired, and the systems in place will ensure you either shape up or are culled. This is not something I am saying on behalf of myself, or of staff, but rather of the community as a whole; We are established as a member-driven democratic site, if you can't get along with the other kids then I'm afraid you simply can't play in the sandpit.
The purpose of an apology is to mend a damage relationship, and implies that you are taking action to avoid your previous mistakes. Your quoted apology had the opposite effect because it not only came across as backhanded, but you also loaded it up with other comments that soundly demonstrate you weren't sorry for how you acted at all. It dedicated two words to apologising and three paragraphs around that ranting at them about how they are in the wrong and it's all their fault you did this, complete with capitalisations and derisive/accusatory tone. Unfortunately, by societies understanding of what an apology should be, I can't say that it would qualify, thus my concession above.
Either way, I hope this matter settles now.
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