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Post by Bing Gan on May 26, 2015 3:38:01 GMT
((Thread PL: 86,001. Medium Weights: 43,000. Weights ON)) ((This Thread is a direct continuation of: Preparing for Dark Times)) Bing and Salti touched down near at a secluded spot, away from any Villages or Cities so they could train without fear of hurting any other people. Bing smiled at the Pale-skinned Namekian as he folded his arms "I'm glad you're interested in learning how to defend yourself." It was good to be teaching again, It made Bing feel like what he had done so far was worth it. If someone even somewhat important, like a Guru in training, wanted to learn from him, then he must be doing something right. He was about to speak, but he heard the sound of a picture being taken. Apparently Donna had begun taking pictures. Bing pulled her off of his face and looked at her with an expression of sternness "Donna, what are you doing?" She had a happy tone as she took another picture "Just making sure I capture the memories! This is your first Alien Student!" Bing sighed as he turned off Donna and placed her in a pouch that was fastened to his belt. He looked towards Salti and rubbed the back of his head nervously "Heh, sorry about that." He walked closer to Salti and sat down Cross-legged on the ground before he slowly floated into the sky, keeping himself only a few inches off the ground. He smiled towards Salti and asked him a question "Alright, so what do you want to learn first? We can try focusing on Offensive Tactics, or if you prefer we can lean more towards Defensive Techniques." Seeing as Namekian's are a peaceful race, he assumed that Salti would want to learn Defensive Tactics more, but he would wait for Salti to respond first before making any assumptions. (Short post I know, sorry) (@saysay)
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 7:56:09 GMT
(Thread PL: 3, 528) (Direct continuation of: Preparing for Dark Times)
Salti hears the picture being taken and despite being asked to ignore that could not help but be curious. Salti asks Bing, "Mind if I ask what was that sound, it sounded like something rather interesting. We don't really have such advanced technology here as we have no need for it so we were not able to develop any." Salti also heard the comment about the 'first' alien student and responds to it rather curiously, "So I'm assuming you have trained others before? And so I'm honored to be your first um Alien student was it? Pardon me, but wouldn't it be Namekian student instead, I don't quite understand 'Alien'?" Salti stops asking wondering if it was too awkward to ask Bing those questions. 'He' decided that those questions weren't really important and apologizes Bing for his curious behavior and bowing in apology.
After bowing in an awkward apology, Salti looks upon the floating Bing who asked if 'he' wanted to learn Offensive or Defensive tactics, being a pacifist Salti knew what 'he' wanted to learn first. Salti responds, "I would like to learn Defensive Tactics first, even though us Namekians are rather peaceful, it would be best if I was able to learn Offensive Tactics as well afterwards." Salti looks rather timid when believing that 'he' is asking such selfish requests toward a stronger individual who would have other things to do than train a humble Namekian with a pale coloration.
Salti mentally speaks to the Salt Water inside 'his' body as they share a form of bond together, despite it being a host relationship, "Salt Water this kind being called a human is willing to give up their time to train me in the art of combat. I believe it would be important for myself and also I wanted to ask you not to attack indiscriminately if I get hit or what not. Instead I also want you to focus on just healing any possible bruises or wounds." The Salt Water signals Salti that it will make no promises, but will abide to that command. The Salt Water flows constantly inside Salti to do something to 'his' body that Salti does not know what it is, although 'he' feels that Salt Water is trying to do something.
Salti also tells Bing about the reason of learning Offensive Tactics, "There is a reason I would want to learn Offensive Tactics, if I just learn Defensive Tactics I would not be able to do anything afterwards to fight back. Also there's an experiment I've been meaning to try out that might help me out in situations requiring physical strength." Salti stands there patiently awaiting the kind Bing's response to see if that is alright.
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Post by Bing Gan on May 26, 2015 8:53:09 GMT
Bing responded with a happy tone as he explained some of what transpired "Well, that was my glasses here taking a Picture. Most of the time it's camera's that take pictures. I'd go into more detail about what a camera is, but it might take too long to explain." Salti also seemed curious about what Donna meant when she said First Alien Student, so he answered that question as well "Yes, I've trained others before. Not many, but I've done so before." The Pale Namekian also seemed curious as to what Alien meant, so he did his best to explain that as well "Well, Alien is a general term people use when referring to a race that they aren't. So for instance, If you wanted to speak about me, a Human, you could instead refer to me as an Alien, if you wished. I do agree with you though, "First Namekian Student" would be better as well, sounds better than Alien." He smiled at Salti as the Namekian apologized. Bing had assumed correctly, Salti decided he wanted to learn Defensive Tactics first. He had never trained somebody so inexperienced before, so he wasn't exactly sure how to begin. His thoughts are interrupted briefly by Salti mentioning he also wanted to learn Offensive Techniques, to which Bing agreed. After a few moments he got his Idea on how to hopefully train Salti in the correct way. He stood up straight as he began explaining what they were about to do "Alright, I guess we should start with some simple stuff. I'd like to practice your blocking and dodging skills. I'm going to come at you slowly at first, keeping my attacks simple. I want you to try your best to either avoid or defend against anything I throw at you. But as we progress, I'm gonna up the tempo a bit." To Bing, this sounded like the best way to go about it, but he could be wrong, as it had been an awfully long time since his last student. ([SU2] Advanced Ki Suppression Activated! Current PL: 3,500)Bing got into a battle stance and waited for Salti to get ready. Once Salti got himself prepared Bing would shoot forward, rushing towards Salti at a relatively quick speed. He would aim his right fist for Salti's head, but for this first attack he would intentionally wait about a second before throwing the punch forward, giving Salti just a bit of time to process the attack before it was actually delivered. After the first punch he would throw another, slightly faster punch with his left fist. After that he would try to sweep kick Salti, aiming to knock him off balance or knock him down entirely. After this somewhat slow barrage he would have to change the pace depending on how well Salti did.
If Salti was unsuccessful in blocking or dodging two or more of the attacks, he would do the same combination again. A Right punch, delayed be a second, followed by a left punch delayed by a half-second, and finally a sweep to finish it off. They would continue this simple combination until Salti got the tempo down.
After Salti had successfully blocked or dodged at least two of the attacks, he would wait for Salti to be ready again before beginning a slightly faster combination. Going for a Right punch, then a left punch, then a right punch again in succession. If these hits missed or were blocked he would continue the combination, going for one more left handed punch. After this small combination of attacks he would hop back and fire a Ki blast at Salti.
After all this was done, he would stop for a brief moment to discuss Salti's progress so far.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 11:56:31 GMT
Salti was happy enough to get some clearance on the questions that he later apologized for, "I thank you for the clarity and your time for allowing me to understand. I won't bother you anymore about the things I'm curious of unless you allow me to do so.".
After Bing explained a bit on how training will be conducted, Salti gets ready in a stance which could be perceived to others as the most inexperienced Namekian fighter anyone would ever see. It was so embarrassing, stronger entities would most likely laugh and find it cute rather than threatening. As Bing threw his right fist at Salti, 'he' crosses his arms above 'his' head with enough time to 'block' the attack. However, it doesn't go so well and Salti is flown back a few feet due to 'his' light and weak physique. Salti attempts to dodge the second time and barely dodges, however 'he' gets hit by the second punch from Bing's left. This punch just like the other one made Salti fly back a few feet only making 'him' tumble down instead. Salti's head had a bruise, but after a few seconds of being stationary, the bruise disappears. Salti would keep doing this process of right fist followed by left punch many times until 'he' can get the timing down. However, Salti thinks to himself, "I know that he's going extremely easy on me, I'm just repeating the same process until I learn the timing of his attacks that I know are forcibly being delayed. I can't even block without being sent flying. There must be someway I can do this.". Salti's body begins to pulsate slighty, and 'he' feels weird somehow. But that doesn't stop 'him' from continuing the extremely basic training.
After that pulse Salti is able to dodge with better timing and 'his' reactions are starting to improve. The training continues until Salti is able to dodge the sweeping attack. Salti requests to block instead of dodge after 'he' completes dodging the combination about two more times upon request. Salti attempts to block several times trying out different ways to block using one hand instead of two, only failing a couple of times and getting knocked back as usual. However, the distance is starting to less and reaction times are greatly improving. Salti's body begins to pulsate again, "Again please. I feel I can do it this time." Bing goes for the usual combo and Salti successfully blocks it this time, for some reason Salti's body is getting slightly larger and more robust. Salti continues and blocks the second hit, after a few tries, and proceeds to the sweeping attack. Salti gets tripped a couple of times, but after those tries 'he' was standing in a firm position to be unable to be tripped. Each time Salti improved the pacing was increasing and Salti was adjusting to each different speed of the flurry of blows. Somehow getting faster and sturdier, even successful hits were starting to not bruise Salti.
Bing lets Salti know that they are moving on to the next phase.
Bing threw a similar combination of a right punch followed by a left punch, but instead of a sweep Bing threw another punch hitting Salti who for some reason expected a sweep. After that hit, Salti was prepared for another combination attack now realizing that 'he' should keep thinking the opponent will do the same thing every time and might try and trick you into doing so. Salti was able to dodge and block the succession of blows in 'his' own defensive combination, however 'he' did not expect a ki blast at all and gets blasted (Much like Piccolo and child Gohan's training). Salti is not able to dodge the ki blast in time even after many attempts. Salti thinks to himself about how to stop or dodge the ki blast. Again another pulse expect much stronger circulates throughout Salti's body. Salti's physical body is growing noticeably larger and physically stronger. Salti does not know how Bing is currently reacting to 'his' body transition, but Salti asks Bing to pay it no mind and keep going. After the succession of dodges and blocks against Bing's punches, the ki blast is fired at Salti. A voice in Salti's head tells 'him' to stand 'his' ground and to try to deflect it. Salti does so and manages to slightly re-direct the ki blast away from 'him'. However, Salti's arm is burnt from doing so. After a few moments, 'his' arm goes back to normal and they continue this process until Salti is able to deflect or dodge the ki blast, 'he' eventually does so.
After this process was done, Salti and Bing stop and are about to discuss Salti's progress in 'his' training.
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Post by Bing Gan on May 26, 2015 23:47:19 GMT
Salti's training was going well, his progress was somewhat slow, but progress of any kind is good progress. They sat down to take a small break and discuss who the training has been going so far, and quite honestly, Bing was impressed. Salti started inexperienced, not even knowing how to properly hold himself during a fight. But after about an hour of training, Salti had already gotten the hang of it quite well. Bings smile was broad, as he was very proud of his students progress so far. He spoke towards Salti as he explained how he thought things were going "So far I would say you are doing very well! You've learned how to defend against physical attacks quite well, but I can still see some trouble with your defense against ranged attacks. I think we should focus a bit more on that aspect for the next step in training."He shifted his position a bit as he asked Salti a question he was curious about "I noticed your body seems to have...grown, a little since we started. Forgive me If this is rude to ask but is that a normal thing for Namekians? The rapid growth and all?" He wasn't sure if this question was an appropriate one, but he asked it anyways. Bing was always a curious mind when he could be, and this oddity was something that poked and prodded at his curious mind, forcing him to ask the question, even if it was a bit rude to do so. Bing stood up and apologized for asking such a rude question, afterwards he began explaining the next step in their training process. "Alright, so the next part of our training is going to be similar, but a bit more focused on Ki Attacks. I'm gonna start from the pace we were at earlier, but I'll throw in some surprises to keep you on your toes." He lifted up one of his fingers as he gave Salti a word of advice "One thing you need to remember is that a real fight might not be what it seems. Surprises might come from even the most block-headed of foes, so keep your eyes peeled for any strange things your opponent might try on you." He lowered his finger and got into his Battle Stance, waiting for Salti to do the same. After waiting a few moments Bing would rush forward once again. Beginning this step of training with a familiar combination, A right punch, followed by a left, followed by a right. This combination was one Salti should be familiar with, but this time it was much faster than it was during the last step, making it a bit harder to dodge. He would do the same combination a few more times, gradually upping the speed of his attacks. After a few rounds of this combination he would add in some more attacks here and there. A high kick instead of a second Right punch, a third right punch instead of a left, three kicks instead of three punches. He was throwing in surprises and changes, but keeping it simple at first. After this round of preparing Salti was completed he began throwing in more ranged combinations. He would jump back, throw a volley of three ki blasts, then rush in to try and Kick Salti with his left leg. He would do this combination a few more times until Salti got the hang of it, and then he would occasionally throw in some variations of that combo. Doing four Ki blasts, going for a punch instead of a kick, or rushing forward and throwing another Ki blast. All of these combinations and variations were to prepare Salti for the diversity of the battle field. After Salti got used to this diversity in attack patterns, Bing would finally throw in one of the harder attacks to defend against. He would jump back like he would for some of the combinations, but this time instead of throwing a group of Ki blasts, he would throw just one. There was something special about this Ki attack however, as Bing could control where it went after it was already launched. This attack was known as the Viper Bomber, but Bing made sure not to say the attack name out loud. ([V2] Viper Bomber Used! 33% Charged for a Damage potential of: 1,190!) (Using lowered PL Due to Advanced Ki Suppression)Anytime Salti would try dodging the attack Bing would re-direct it towards Salti, making sure it would stay following him. Salti would have to try and either block it or destroy it before it reached him. If Salti was hit by the attack or for some reason Bing lost control of it, he would throw another one and have it follow Salti around again. Once Salti got used to the strange attack and the way it followed him around Bing would change how it followed Salti. Instead of following him intently, the blast would instead fly over Salti and try hitting him from behind. This strange attack would continue until Salti eventually got the hang of avoiding the ball.
Once this final part of this step of training was complete, Bing would call Salti over to take another small break, and evaluate his progress once more.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 1:23:33 GMT
As Bing and Salti discuss 'his' progress, Bing tells Salti that 'he' was doing very well considering. Salti is rather happy hearing that 'he' is progressing well. Although knowing full well, that 'he' has not been able to adjust to ranged attacks yet.
Bing let Salti know about 'his' size increase, which Salti has not realized until now. Salti responds, "Honestly I haven't noticed until you mentioned it. But what I have noticed is when my body needs to adjust to a rapid pacing of attacks, I feel a pulse throughout my body. Although I do have a strange feeling I know what it is." Salti scratches 'his' head, "I believe the Salt Water mineral inside my body is changing my body type by increasing the amount of cells I possess to mimic something of natural growth. Although I don't know how to control this yet. But I believe if I control this ability I can become better at reacting, agility and strength." Salti sees Bing trying to apologize for such a question and replies, "You don't need to apologize. I'm not surprised you're curious, because this is not a normal Namekian trait. I'm also curious as well so there's no need to apologize for the sake of curiosity."
Afterwards Bing starts explaining the next training process, which is mainly going to focus more on surprises and ranged attacks. Bing begins the training with a similar combination of right fist, left fist, right fist, however the speed at which these attacks are made have become much faster. However, Salti's reactions to muscle movement is greatly improving to the point of guessing ahead what movements may occur. Salti is able to parry the fist attacks, despite them being faster due to Salti's gradual body and mental change. After a few combinations Bing started to change the order of moves as well as adding new ones. Salti got hit a few times, but is adjusting much better than previously and is in fact getting faster.
After a while of pure physical combat, Bing decided to us ranged attack to add into the mix. Ranged attacks were the thing that Salti really needed to adjust to. Although Salti was able to fend off some of the ki blasts, 'he' was only able to fend off about 40% of the ki blasts shot by Bing. A voice speaks into Salti's mind, "Need not see with your eyes, but with your sensing of the liquid." Salti closes his eyes getting hit by Bing, although Salti asks Bing to continue and not worry about 'his' being eyes closed. Over time Salti was able to start seeing Bing with 'his' eyes closed, rather than seeing Bing himself it's more like seeing the liquid inside Bing's body which is comprised of his cells. Salti was able react much faster and dodging better since 'he' could see Bing's cells in his hands lighting up or burning of some kind when he is about to use ki blasts. Salti calculates the direction the ki blast is being sent by the position of cells arranged in the body structure. Salti opens 'his' eyes and starts adjusting 'his' vision to similar properties of when 'he' had 'his' eyes closed.
Bing prepares for the final step of the training which instead of his normal combination of attacks would add something rather difficult for Salti. Bing seemingly continues his normal combination routine, except the last attack was different, as Salti tried to dodge the attack, it would keep following 'him' giving Salti less and less time to prepare to dodge. Salti was hit by this attack many times and having to recover shortly after. After a while of getting hit by this attack from fruitless dodging, Salti knew that 'he' had to come up with something.
Salti remembered that 'he' could use the Salt Water offensively and decided to use it defensively. Salti would fire a ball of Salt Water with minor ki surrounding it so that 'he' may deflect it. However, it would still come by after being deflected and the only difference is that the Salt Water was spread on the ground. Salti would repeat this process a few times until there was enough Salt Water around him. As the attack was about to hit Salti, 'he' commands the Salt Water surrounding 'him' with a defense order. The Salt Water surrounding Salti would immediately fly back to Salti entrapping 'him' in a pyramid of some sorts. The pyramid would protect Salti with several layers of Salt Water coated by 'his' ki as well. The attack was able to be blocked by the pyramid. Although it isn't a practical method of defense, Salti decided to revamp the order to constantly form around Salti when 'he' was being attacked by projectiles. This was a successful change as it would keep deflecting the special ki attack when it would get near. Salti was able to constantly defend against the onslaught of attacks after getting used to the Defensive command.
Salti was exhausted after the training, until 'his' system was steadily restoring 'his' tired cells. The two decided to take a break and evaluate Salti's current progress.
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Post by Bing Gan on May 27, 2015 2:43:46 GMT
Bing and Salti sat down once more after another somewhat draining session of their training. Bing smiled, Salti's progress was even better than he expected! The Pale Namekian was able to successfully dodge or block all the attacks Bing was throwing out, so this was going well so far. "You're doing great so far, I think you'll be able to properly defend yourself against opponents now." He wasn't entirely sure if it would be wise to move on to Offensive Tactics just yet, but It seemed that Salti might have been good on the defensive front for now at least.
"Alright, I'd say it's time to move on to Offensive Strategy." Bing stood up and waited for Salti to stand before continuing "I want to try and come at me with all you've got. Don't hold back or else I'll be very disappointed." Bing stood in a defensive position and waited for Salti to try something.
(Short post's are never good, but I didn't want to keep you waiting forever)
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 11:31:55 GMT
As Bing and Salti were on their break, another progress discussion was inevitable. Bing notified Salti that 'he' was able to properly defend against opponents. It was the time to learn offense now. Bing got into a defensive position waiting for Salti.
Salti using 'his' defensive training memories tried to mimic Bing's form when he attacks. Salti fires a small ball of Salt Water at Bing coated with ki, following the Salt Water ball 'he' goes to throw a left punch similar to what Bing used. The Salt Water ball is set to scatter once it reaches Bing falling into liquid on the ground. If Bing were to successfully block the punch Salti would use 'his' right to uppercut aimed at Bing's chin immediately after. If Bing were to attempt to dodge the left punch, the Salt Water scattered below would try to grab on to his feet as sticky glue. Using ki on the legs would be able to remove the Salt Water, but Salti did not say.
If this combination failed, then Salti would try another combination of physical attacks comprised of left kick, left elbow, right arm ki blast normal. Another set being right punch, left Salt Water ki blast, right knee, and right ki blast normal. Salti would continue similar sets and repeat some old ones so that 'he' try to catch Bing off guard. Most were not successful in landing hits. If Salti were to succeed in offensive combat, 'he' needed to match Bing's speed and aim for blind spots.
Salti runs around Bing firing normal ki blasts with 'his' right arm and charging his left arm for something.
Salti was also mentally restricted on using the Salt Water's real power as 'he' knew it would be dangerous to use. Salti kept that from Bing, but tried to not keep it obvious. Even though Bing instructed Salti to not hold back, 'he' can't help but do so to not injure a friend even though Bing himself was greatly holding back his true power in order to train Salti. Salti knew this, but kept quiet about it.
Salti would try and continue a barrage of ki blasts with many combinations of physical attacks until Bing were to call for a break, and evaluate for progress.
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Post by Bing Gan on May 28, 2015 5:37:25 GMT
Salti had begun his Offensive Tactics Training, and Bing was the Defender. He waited for Salti to begin his assault, and after a brief moment of waiting, Salti approached. He began his assault with a a strange White Ki ball, which Bing tried deflecting, but it suddenly dispersed, covering Bing's legs with this strange substance. Before he could try deciphering the purpose of the attack, Salti approached with a Left fist extended. Bing brought his arms up to block, which he successfully did. Salti continued his assault by throwing out an Uppercut, which Bing dodged by first arching his body backwards to avoid the fist, then back-flipping away to gain some distance. Salti approached once again, this time trying a different combination. The Pale Namekian first started with a left kick, which Bing blocked with his right forearm. Next Salti tried throwing out a left elbow, which Bing jumped over, landing himself behind Salti. Salti then turned around and fired a Ki blast which Bing deflected. This went on for a long while. Salti would throw out an impressively well Thought-out combination, but it would miss. The one thing that Bing was interested in was that Salti was very slowly becoming harder and harder to dodge. He was doing similar combinations of attacks, but every time The Namekian would do it Bing's evasive maneuvers were slightly less effective. Bing might not have as much time to deflect an attack, or almost not bring his arm up to block in time. There was the small factor that Bing was only using a small fraction of his power, but it was still very impressive to see Salti becoming so much stronger and quicker. The Combination that finally knocked Bing to his feet was the last one Salti tried. He threw out one of those strange White Ki Balls once again, and it once again dispersed on his legs. Salti came at Bing with a right fist, but instead of blocking Bing dodged by side-stepping just in time. As he moved however, the liquid at his feet grasped his legs and stopped him from moving! He tried to wriggle free but Salti came in with another Uppercut, knocking Bing down on his back. He looked up at Salti with a smile, clearly the Human Teacher was impressed. "Well done Salti! That attack of yours is a very interesting one." Bing stood up and beckoned Salti to follow him to their rest area. After they both sat down Bing began discussing how he thought Salti was doing "I'd say you're pretty much ready for any dangers you might face. In a short battle it might be hard for you to get a bead on your opponent, but if a battle lasts long enough you can really hit em hard!" He smiled again as he continued "You probably would have hit me much sooner if I wasn't stronger than you. I can tell if you fight someone near your level you will have no trouble at all." Bing stood up again, placing his hand on Salti's shoulder "I deem this Training Exercise Complete. If you want to do more training in the future I welcome you to return, but for now I think Komoto is waiting for you." He pointed off in the distance where he could sense Komoto, who was completely alone. [Attempted Exit, PL Requested, Wearing Medium Weights]
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 10:58:59 GMT
Bing finally ends the training session once Salti was able to land a hit on Bing with his trap combination. Salti was rather happy that that plan actually worked. Bing complimented Salti on such a strategy as well as letting 'him' know that he should be ready for any dangers 'he' might face. Salti could feel 'his' body becoming much stronger and with the experience 'he' just had would finally be able to hold 'his' own against similar opponents.
Salti thanks Bing for his time to train Salti, "I'm very grateful to you teacher. I will never forget what you have taught me so that I may continue to improve myself to one day live up to your expectations of being considered 'strong'. I will take considerations in my attacks and create strategies based on my strength." Salti bows to Bing, "Again I thank you so much for your time. I look forward to training with you once again so that I may learn something new or show you my current progress." After Salti's gratitude bow, Bing announces that the training is now over and that 'he' should go to Komoto who is waiting for 'him'.
Bing pointed out where Komoto may be so that Salti could start 'his' next training, the training in the arts of magic.
(Thread Exit. PL requested Please)
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Post by Vi-Poi on May 30, 2015 4:19:14 GMT
Bing 2515 WC & 3762 (forgot your weights degraded ) 3335 PL! Salti 2708 WC & 3453 PL! Adding.
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