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Post by Reikiko on Apr 4, 2015 19:18:15 GMT
So, going to try not to make too long of a rant this time.
Basically this topic is to see if people would like either 'canon' heroes/villains to train under (this means people like Frieza, the Ginyu Force, Goku but depending on their reputation certain characters would be special tutors).
Original tutors would be a bit of a 'different' take on things.
They are basically heroes and villains designed by the community, and often were passed on the teachings of the canon characters.
How would this work?
For the tutors we would basically have everyone be able to make a 'character concept', for example a villain of a hero. This is like making a profile. Design their story, their background/deeds, maybe some personality and an appearance.
At this point those concepts are talked about between the member and the staff, to ensure we basically don't get breaking points (like saying you are a god of destruction, that won't fly) and if all checks out that tutor is added into the pool of 'custom tutors'. In the end the community as a whole will vote on their favorite concepts, and the x amount of most popular heroes become the 'good tutors' x amount of most popular villains would become villains, and a very small number become special tutors (Kai level)
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Post by Vi-Poi on Apr 4, 2015 19:21:44 GMT
I'm fine with some canon characters, but only the tertiary ones like the Kais. I cringe when I think about people going "Oh yeah, I knew Goku, we were besties in Heaven." or "Me and Frieza played cards in Hell."
For some reason, I have more tolerance for meeting evil canons in Hell, because I feel like they'd be less chummy and more 'do this'. But I really don't like the idea of befriending Piccolo, Krillin, etc, I think it straddles the canon character veto even if its NPC.
I'd rather it all just be Ogres + Kais and then OCs.
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Post by Hyoza on Apr 4, 2015 19:23:08 GMT
Really want to distance us from canon so we don't suddenly have loads of characters spouting nonsense about the original series all the time with near-encyclopaedic accuracy.
Also, it's been over TWO THOUSAND YEARS since DBZ. I think Goku and co might've gotten tired of training people in that time. And then you have dudes like Frieza and Cell, who I doubt would have ever felt inclined to do so anyway. Given how many people would have died across the universe since the time of DBZ, I suspect the old canon characters would have drifted way off into the afterlife, far from where new arrivals would be finding themselves.
I propose that for the Upper Worlds we have a mix of Oni/Kai tutors who have a variety of famous techniques they picked up from 'famous warriors of the past'. Meanwhile in Hell, I propose a group of demons/Makaioshin who do the same, but for the villainous abilities.
EDIT: Also, canon is still progressing with the movies, and we don't know what might become of the canon cast in stories yet to come.
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Post by Reikiko on Apr 4, 2015 19:27:40 GMT
The way I imagine it they would be 'original' characters from a previous generation (meaning that they would be part of our races), and the special tutors would likely be the handful of 'special' guys, the ones who might had have a special impact on our history. What means more lore to think of~ \^_^/
Silly example: If Reikiko is WoD's Cell, then she could be a special tutor someday (joke, but you get what I mean).
They would likely have learned those famous techniques from their predecessors, a master/student line that traces back to the canon heroes, but is far enough that we won't be able to have people declare they 'know' the canon heroes/villains.
Albeit maybe design some original Kai and Makaioshin instead of heroes/villains for the special tutors...
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Post by Hyoza on Apr 4, 2015 19:40:45 GMT
Just gonna add some thoughts we hashed out in the cbox:
So, it's a lot more straightforward what happens to people in the Upper Worlds. Hell's canonicity is kind of in flux at the moment due to Toriyama's recent additions for Resurrection of F. What we should keep in mind is this: Hell is a massive intergalactic prison for the most evil and twisted souls from across all of reality.
How about - villains begin as disembodied souls. They must evade capture by the Onis and find a way to restore their body. Exactly what method they use to achieve this, I do not know. Once they have a body, they can more effectively rebel against the Oni jailors. I propose that all tutors in Hell are in fact other escaped 'inmates', lurking in areas where the Oni will not find them. They would presumably be powerful villains from decades/centuries past. We can custom-build these guys to our liking. Once a character has met and trained with all the Hell 'tutors' they can learn the location of a secret doorway into the Demon realm, where they can learn the 'ultimate' technique from one of the Makaioshin that dwells there.
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Post by Reikiko on Apr 4, 2015 19:47:35 GMT
That could work well with the Soul Power shop.
basically you'd be a spirit and gather soul power in hell, then once you get enough SP you basically can do a topic where you roleplay regaining your body. -buy your body oocly-
Same for heaven, just heaven is more 'gentle', in the fact that if you try to float around you won't get an Oni trying to put you into your bed/cocoon if you leave the area.
What does this lead us?
1: Starting afterlife area (Hell for villains, Heaven for heroes) this is where you play around until you get your body, once you get your body you can kind of 'bully' the oni to leave you alone. 2: Mid afterlife area (demon realm for villains, upper worlds for the heroes) This is where most of the tutors will be, perhaps also some original kais? 3: End afterlife area ( a certain part of the demon realm, like where the 'special' tutors/Makaioshin dwell for villains, and for heaven the 'Supreme Kai planet' where the supreme kai and the 'special' heroes dwell.) -stuff like spirit bomb and such are taught here, aka the 'ultimates'
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Post by Ryo on Apr 5, 2015 14:28:29 GMT
I think OC tutors would be amazing. As much as I do love the fact of training under Krillin or Tien, Hyoza has a point. It's been such a long time that they've all just kind of drifted off into the after life and faded away, becoming just folk tales. I am all for OC tutors and such, and I have TONS in mind if we ever come to this conclusion!
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Post by President Bao on Apr 5, 2015 15:49:00 GMT
I want to keep a distance between us and Canon characters personally, it's also why we have the veto on even mentioning them by name. I think the only reason canon tutors has come up is because of zenoverse's tutors, which operates soundly on videogame logic over story logic. it may be the world of dragonball, but the characters are all about us. eg. Not Mr Satan, but Bao Zi'bub. Also, the idea is that this is meant to be a player driven site(it's part of our ad ). If you want some hell tutor who teaches frieza-like techniques for example(or you want a king kai, a guru, or a roshi), then you use one of your three character slots and become this tutor. No 'npc', just you, a player, taking on a secondary character to fulfil this service and be this supporter for others - it's why we have the masters and monarchs roles. It also means you can be less active with this character(Be they your only character, or a second character you play on the side), as you're not training for pl/saga participation you're simply roleplaying for fun when others come and visit you (much like my intentions when creating Bao). Basically, these should be your tea party characters for all you fans of that aspect Or those people who say they are unable to write solo threads.
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Post by Reikiko on Apr 5, 2015 16:26:44 GMT
If we went with the npc 'fill characters' idea, we might as well open the idea of the 'Side Player Character' idea I mentioned before.
SPC: By making a profile players can unlock access to a single Side Player Character. This character is only playable in the afterlife, and has its strength limited to your 'player character' (so no 500k pl charries in the afterlife if you're a newbie). Those characters can fulfill various roles. From denizen of heaven or hell, to an actual proper tutor that will teach you canon techniques. (albeit those roles would likely be limited, and take priority to player characters who want to be in the afterlife to actually teach those things, should there be someone like that).
The idea is that this SPC's grades basically earn the afterlife currency, but can be converted into Zeni or PL for your main character, since you kind of are using your time to help others in the afterlife.
Interesting bits: this means stuff like afterlife sagas, group threads and such are more likely to happen. Tutor/mentor threads would instead change in nature to basically instead of solos, involve players writing with someone they have labeled as their 'tutor' (remember, two tutors a week max)
I was actually working on this system after asking Zucceta about it, and planned to use Kora as a test run, but then Rei stuff flooded me a bit alongside all the afterlife system tinkering...
This would open up the idea of a player-ran afterlife, and hopefully makes it feel more alive
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 11:38:37 GMT
I think Original Characters as tutors are better off. This RP so far has really set itself apart from the story of Z and has only taken what has been necessary to establish a world of it's own. I think having characters like Goku running around teaching everyone kinda puts things out of place. Original characters also open up to more story-telling and different possibilities. If we went with the npc 'fill characters' idea, we might as well open the idea of the 'Side Player Character' idea I mentioned before. SPC: By making a profile players can unlock access to a single Side Player Character. This character is only playable in the afterlife, and has its strength limited to your 'player character' (so no 500k pl charries in the afterlife if you're a newbie). Those characters can fulfill various roles. From denizen of heaven or hell, to an actual proper tutor that will teach you canon techniques. (albeit those roles would likely be limited, and take priority to player characters who want to be in the afterlife to actually teach those things, should there be someone like that). The idea is that this SPC's grades basically earn the afterlife currency, but can be converted into Zeni or PL for your main character, since you kind of are using your time to help others in the afterlife. Interesting bits: this means stuff like afterlife sagas, group threads and such are more likely to happen. Tutor/mentor threads would instead change in nature to basically instead of solos, involve players writing with someone they have labeled as their 'tutor' (remember, two tutors a week max) I was actually working on this system after asking Zucceta about it, and planned to use Kora as a test run, but then Rei stuff flooded me a bit alongside all the afterlife system tinkering... This would open up the idea of a player-ran afterlife, and hopefully makes it feel more alive I really like this idea. I think we should also accept that some players will want their own characters they've played from joining until now to have the possibility of being a tutor but the idea of an SPC also being there is a good one.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2015 20:09:09 GMT
I would personally like original characters that have been trained by the canon characters. For instance, an Icer prince from a thousand years ago died and was trained by Frieza in hell for whatever reason. I think, if the canon characters wanted to continue to get stronger but stay dead, they would pass on their work to any worthy other world warrior that may be enlisted by the kais.
That's me two cents~
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Post by Reikiko on Apr 12, 2015 20:27:48 GMT
Actually I have been thinking...
What would players say about an option like this:
If a player enters the afterlife they can volunteer to become an afterlife tutor if they meet a certain PL requirement. What does this mean? While you gain the ability to gain PL like normally (keep on reading) and even get a PL bonus modifier when teaching other people! Basically this will 'boost' those tutors along with the other players, but now the negative side. As a tutor you can only leave the afterlife in the case of an emergency or special event.
Examples: Hero tutor is summoned by the dragon balls to help prevent a great evil from destroying the world A villain is summoned temporarily through some vile sacrifice to help the bad guys.
This will make player tutors possibly remain relevant/become special for characters not in the afterlife, and it still allows you to develop stuff. You 'can' use your one-time revive, but once you become a tutor you will be stuck in the after-life for a fair RL period of time (several months at least), so it's a big choice to make
I personally would totally volunteer Yami Reikiko as a hell tutor, especially since it means I'd be able to plot for the future, level good Reikiko a little and then along the line possibly have Yami Rei become a saga villain that will turn things upside down when she escapes from the afterlife.
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Post by Ryo on Apr 12, 2015 22:56:19 GMT
I'd volunteer Ryo as a Hero tutor as well.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2015 8:16:05 GMT
I like Rei's suggestion a lot. Though it'll definitely be hard to find someone who will stay on the site for that long playing such an important role, there'd have to be some sort of rule with how long you could be away for.
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Post by Hyoza on Apr 29, 2015 13:45:57 GMT
Would prefer NPC tutors, less reliant on activity and so on.
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