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Post by Vi-Poi on Nov 13, 2017 0:20:07 GMT
Hello everyone,
We're in the process of issuing a DMCA takedown notice through Proboards to "DB Dreams", a website which has badly plagiarized several aspects of our copyrighted content.
Today, Rev tried to reason with the administrator but there was an unwillingness to compromise on any of the material, and familiarly to our past experience with content thieves, the administrator was adamantly opposed to changing the stolen work and showed zero remorse. The website in question is ran by a few former members of Souls. Their addresses will receive permanent bans for this violation of our content, which will also carry through to Turbo.
It's sad whenever we have to do this. The Dragon Ball forum roleplay community is small enough that we should all be helpful and contributory to one another. Competition, especially the kind that is made through the dishonest thieving of original content, does not serve anyone. If someone wants to use our material, they can just ask the admins. Ask rev. Open up a dialogue. Don't just assume because it's on the internet that you have a right to take it.
We're protective of our content because we created it. We spent a huge amount of time developing this stuff. It's meant for our players, and it's certainly not meant for general public use. If someone wants to use content from Souls for their own site, there are ways in which we're willing to share. We want DB RP to grow and flourish, not just our own. But the sharing has to be done in a forthright, upright manner that is respectful to the content creators, in the same manner an artist expects attribution for their work.
It's a shame it went this way, but we wanted to let you all know.
Sincerely, Vi
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Post by Tomoka on Nov 13, 2017 12:46:03 GMT
Riperoni pepperoni, you won't be missed Dreamolis.
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Post by Mammon on Nov 17, 2017 6:10:28 GMT
I could be wrong, I know its rare but it does happen. But World of Dragon Soul is just an Action Point Allowance System? Your claiming ownership of a system that predates WODS? And ignoring copyright laws, as they protect the expression of ideas, not the ideas themselves. Section 102 (title 17 of the U.S.C.) of the Copyright Act states, “In no case does copyright protection for an original work of authorship extend to any idea, procedure, process, system, method of operation, concept, principle, or discovery, regardless of the form in which it is described, explained, illustrated, or embodied in such work”. To protect an idea, method or system you need to patent it. Unless they copied and pasted your rules, they do not even breach even the TOS of Proboards(who knows its DB Dreams they might be that stupid), who use the Digital Millennium Copyright Act Policy, which means you're filing frivolous DMCA takedown. I'm not trying to be rude or anything, as I do genuinely enjoy the site and wish the best for its future, but this seems shady at best, understandable(believe me I know how it feels, to see something you worked so hard for, I get that. But we shouldn't lower ourselves to their standards) but shady. But maybe I misread something. Vi-Poi
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Post by Zucceta on Nov 17, 2017 20:21:20 GMT
Ultimately, its down to Proboards' DMCA team to decide. If it were that in isolation, Mammon, you could be right, although the system that was lifted was near-identical in wording and implementation. However, in combination with other factors I listed in the DMCA email, it was clearly plagiarism.
In any case, DBDream has been closed down due to violating Proboards ToS. dbdream.boards.net/ I wish its staff team the best of luck in the future creating an original site, that could potentially grow the DBZ RP community and ultimately be to the benefit of all DBZ RP sites by attracting new RPers who wish to use their specific systems.
In a short while, I will be posting up attribution guidelines and our stance on plagiarism, which will carry over to Turbo.
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Post by Vi-Poi on Nov 17, 2017 20:30:24 GMT
No Mammon , you're wrong. The written word, as a form of expression, is copyrighted as soon as you write it. Most-all online content creators are automatically protected by this automatic rule. It's an unpublished copyright, but it's still a copyright. The only thing that would really apply is de minimis and we are careful not to be petty anyway. It's only in the cases like Universe and DB Dreams where there has been wholesale theft of basically everything, including word-for-word copying of a large portion of the site, where we pursue remedies. No one is saying they have a right to action points or ideas or components behind any system. We're saying that the expression of these systems and their combination as a whole, as we expressed it, is ours. And it is, under the law.
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Post by Mammon on Nov 18, 2017 0:21:23 GMT
What expression Vi-Poi? I mean, the system is bog standard no denying it, that was the appeal of it, for example, if I have an aka-47 and it costs me two points out of a pool of eight am I not still using your system, the numbers and names have changed but it is still the same. Or do you own the system when it comes into contact with DBZ material, Ki-blasts, Beams, extra? I mean you see the problem there. But the gods have spoken, and I was just doing my duty as a concerned citizen. Vi-Poi
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Post by Vi-Poi on Nov 18, 2017 6:27:26 GMT
The line between idea and expression is beyond you or me to decide, Mammon . That's something typically settled by complicated research into case law by highly-trained and experienced lawyers and judges. But you're using a strawman as an argument. They weren't inspired by our ideas. They didn't take our ideas and make it their own. They copied our specific language -- to the letter, in many instances -- and implemented it. That's pretty clearly a violation. To reiterate, we don't get petty about this. We don't pursue cases where someone has similar ideas, or may have been inspired by Souls. We pursue cases where someone has clearly ripped us off, like so: And we only use the takedown as a last resort, when trying to be nice and seeking some kind of alteration or attribution fails. So I'm not sure where you're getting your wellspring of advice from. We're totally within our rights to protect our content.
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