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Post by Kizuki on Oct 1, 2015 1:05:30 GMT
To clarify, members are catalogued within the plugin itself, and staff will be able to access that to make modifications as necessary - the automation doesn't remove staff control. Brilliant.
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Post by Zucceta on Oct 1, 2015 6:33:59 GMT
I, for one, welcome our new machine overlords.
(thanks Hyoza)
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Post by Raisu Hanamura on Oct 1, 2015 12:47:17 GMT
Me and Vi have been working out some kinks in this for a few days and quality would be regularly checked by staff, and maluses applied to your grades if quality begins to drop noticeably. Just to be completely thorough: a person's quality can improve in the system after they've been taken down, correct? For example: Say George gets a 5, but staff takes him down to a four. Can he ever reattain a 5 or higher?
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Post by Mayze on Oct 1, 2015 12:53:30 GMT
Me and Vi have been working out some kinks in this for a few days and quality would be regularly checked by staff, and maluses applied to your grades if quality begins to drop noticeably. Just to be completely thorough: a person's quality can improve in the system after they've been taken down, correct? For example: Say George gets a 5, but staff takes him down to a four. Can he ever reattain a 5 or higher? Of course, your quality isn't set in stone. The staff realizes that people improve their writing ability.
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Post by Hyoza on Oct 1, 2015 15:54:22 GMT
Absolutely. There is room for improvement and negatives, based on how people work at it. The staff have always been vigilant regarding adjusting players' PLPW based on the quality of their work.
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Post by Kaile on Oct 1, 2015 16:13:20 GMT
Going to be blunt here and sorry if I offend anyone.... However I completely object to this. Yes I understand it could help considerably but considering proboards and all its faults I wouldn't honestly trust this kind of thing. I understand there are good programmers out there and all that, but I still don't honestly like this kind of thing being implemented. Yeah it'd make things faster and easier for the staff, but in truth I'd rather know that someone is actually looking at it and grading it than some robot. I don't honestly believe at all that a robot (Wordcounter.come prime example) can accurately grade "quality". Who's quality standards is it grading by? How can we be sure it's always going to do that and not only take into account how many letters or words there are? How can we be sure that everyone's earnings would be equal? Let's say someone posts some rather high quality 5k post right, and then someone else does the same but with vastly different wording? How can we be sure the grade would be the same? In theory they should both get the exact same amount of PL/Zeni since they gave the same quality and same length.
Bias aside, I'd rather have any of the staff grading my posts than an automated program.
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Post by Kizuki on Oct 1, 2015 16:19:02 GMT
To my understanding, we're all given a quality grade at the moment with manual grading. That quality grade will be implemented in the plugin. I'm assuming our posts are not thoroughly read through to evaluate quality every time we post something with the current grading system. Would make it near impossible to get more than 1 or 2 done a day. That's where the "quality" grade comes in and is implemented on all posts.
This plugin will implement our current "quality" grade while being monitored by the admins on a more regular basis than they are being monitored now. So if our grade should go up or down they can adjust, the same way they do it now. However, without having to grade manually, they can adjust how are quality is graded more often.
From where I stand it makes things more efficient. At least that's how I see it.
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Post by Kaile on Oct 1, 2015 16:22:17 GMT
But who's STANDARDS is it using? That's my question. Who's Quality Standards is it being set by? Bao's? Zucceta's? Bing's? Mine? Yours? The President of the United States?
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Post by Kizuki on Oct 1, 2015 16:27:02 GMT
But who's STANDARDS is it using? That's my question. Who's Quality Standards is it being set by? Bao's? Zucceta's? Bing's? Mine? Yours? The President of the United States? To my understanding it is the staff.
Maybe I'm off on how it works but the way I'm seeing it each character is implemented in the plugin with a multiple. That multiple is our quality grade given to us by the staff based off of what we've done so far. So that's where it's coming from.
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Post by Kaile on Oct 1, 2015 16:29:06 GMT
I understand that... Let me try to make it more clear. WHO in the staff is being used as the person to set this? Obviously at the moment there IS one uniform "Quality Standard" that was determined based on someone's opinion. Who's I don't know since that isn't made available to the public, that's what I want to know. Is it Bao who sets that multiplier? Is it the person who grades you? Is it Zucceta?
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Post by Zod on Oct 1, 2015 17:50:30 GMT
at the current time, all that's been stated is that it's an average of several staff members. Though this is a highly democratic solution to people sometimes having harsher grading policies than others, it can quickly cause overload problems.
Kaile, right now, the issue is that they are coming in faster than they can be graded which has them 2 weeks behind in grading. With Bing traveling and several members getting hit with RL issues, it's the best they can do to just keep up with their characters in the DE thread. This automated system is them trying to find a way that they can easily give a grade to everyone, even if they don't have dedicated upgrade staffers or the majority of people are on the miss.
From what I've seen, I believe division of labor could quickly provide a solution to the chaos rather than implimenting a robot to do a hands on job (seems like inventing a machine to flip the pages of a book to me). For some reason I can just see Komurin 4 come running into the room asking for things to be analyzed x.x (Komurin is a joke from D. Greyman, a robot built to help with remedial tasks that ends up causing more work for the overworked staff) This will simply be something we have to wait to see when it gets implimented. if it fails? it fails. If it works? it works. Just remember, if it fails all the staff will have more work to do than they originally did x.x
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Post by Hyoza on Oct 1, 2015 18:11:50 GMT
Quality grade is set based on an average, calculated from the grade awarded by 3 or more staff members independently.
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Post by Aiami Lin on Oct 1, 2015 19:55:58 GMT
From what I've seen, I believe division of labor could quickly provide a solution to the chaos rather than implimenting a robot to do a hands on job (seems like inventing a machine to flip the pages of a book to me). Well, yeah. It's a job that can easily be done by the computer and it would save a human (the staff in this instance) from having to do it. This would save everyone time and energy. It gets grades out faster for the people regularly posting, and makes some free time for staff to do whatever with, whether it be handle RL issues, enjoy some free time, or maybe do some writing themselves, it's going to end up better for them. Which is a good thing. Staff are people, too. I'm sure they have other things they would rather be doing than constantly grading and inputting numbers into a formula and popping out more numbers. As for the quality modifier, Kaile does bring up a decent point about knowing who is doing the grading. Though I assume it will be random rotation of staff members for each 'check up' and that said checks will happen randomly every so often, will it be clear who did the grading once a quality update is given, be it a negative or positive increment? I don't see why not be transparent, but I guess that's up for everyone to decide.
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Post by Zucceta on Oct 1, 2015 20:09:19 GMT
When a new member joins, they are assigned a grade based on their consistent quality. This is an average by three or more staff members. We would give this average to the program and it would use our numbers: no difference to us just punching in the numbers, only we don't have to do that work.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2015 20:19:46 GMT
When a new member joins, they are assigned a grade based on their consistent quality. This is an average by three or more staff members. We would give this average to the program and it would use our numbers: no difference to us just punching in the numbers, only we don't have to do that work. But what if a member starts to improve quality wise? I know I'm waaaaaay better at writing for role play characters from a couple years ago.
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