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Post by ken on Aug 6, 2015 19:36:49 GMT
Considering how broken and stupid OP vipoi is I've come up with a way to balance the time chamber and allow people to get stronger to prepare for their battle with him. I'd say that they have one day inside OOC to post and 10k word count limit. After the thread is graded you multiply their gained PL by 12 signifying the 12 months they were there. You also can't use any other multipliers inside like weights or the 10x gravity of the place. I'd say that should only be for flavor. I'd suggest only able to use it twice in your characters lifetime and only able to go in again 6 months after your first go. I'd like thoughts and opinions on this.
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Post by Raisu Hanamura on Aug 6, 2015 19:42:47 GMT
Though it is flavor, how would player's gain access to the chamber? Is it faction based? Or can anyone roll up too it and make a post?
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Post by Xanthon on Aug 6, 2015 19:45:20 GMT
I would think 12 is a little much.. lol Maybe times by 5 or 6 at the most cause if someone maxes out that 10k thats like..roughtly 10-13k of PL depending on quality (I'm guessing) times by 12...That's 100k plus which is like..woah for one thread. 50-60 would be a little bit more better in terms of balance. Yea Vi is strong but you dont want to give someone a 'cheese cheat' to help them beat him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 19:47:08 GMT
I was thinking that anyone who knew about the Time chamber, could go ask Kami for admittance to it, then Kami uses Telepathy to read the mind and memories of the person and either allows access or denies it.
In case of denial, if the person attacks and kills Kami(DE only), the door to the chamber disappears until a new Kami comes a long.
This way, anyone could use it as long as they have Kami's permission to do so. It's only fair that everyone has a fair and equal chance of gaining admittance.
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Post by ken on Aug 6, 2015 19:47:44 GMT
I'd say they'd gain access the same way everyone else did in the show by Kami, or someone connected to Kami, letting them inside.
Edit: That's exactly what I was thinking Aspa
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Post by Nakago Yaiba on Aug 6, 2015 19:53:42 GMT
Access should be by Kami, on Earth.
What about on other planets? Should each key planet have their own equivalent or something similar to make it fair for non-earthlings and people in deep space?
As for how long and how often... Maybe, for every 1k words they write, they gain 2.5k PL? Maximum 20k words for a total of 50k power? 10k per visit, only two visits total ever? You age a year each time, and must be in it for the full day.
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Post by Raisu Hanamura on Aug 6, 2015 19:54:20 GMT
So, this would lead to a thread between Kami and would-be Chamber Trainee. But what of the cases where Kami is unable to post? If I recall correctly, Kami hasn't been around as of late. I retract this statement if I'm wrong, but I do think it is still a valid question of the process.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 19:55:20 GMT
I'd say they'd gain access the same way everyone else did in the show by Kami, or someone connected to Kami, letting them inside. Edit: That's exactly what I was thinking Aspa Agreed
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Post by Nakago Yaiba on Aug 6, 2015 19:56:55 GMT
Does Kami have an assistant here too, like a Mr. Popo or something? If so, maybe he could give access as well, or force people to wait for Kami, and Kami is important enough and it;s a good judge of character to test their patience, lol.
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Post by ken on Aug 6, 2015 19:59:29 GMT
Raisu Hanamura Well we have a temp Kami in Bing, and I'm attempting to become the new Kami. Nakago can vouch that I'm a very consistent person in my activity. I'd also say Kami not being around is very realistic in the sense that Kami has died before and left the Z-fighters with nothing. Now that I think about it I think it should be either Kami or his assistant that give access, after all, when you think about it Kami isn't the one who told the Z-fighters about the time chamber it was popo.
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Post by Raisu Hanamura on Aug 6, 2015 19:59:59 GMT
Does Kami have an assistant here too, like a Mr. Popo or something? If so, maybe he could give access as well, or force people to wait for Kami, and Kami is important enough and it;s a good judge of character to test their patience, lol. In regards to a Popo/Popo-like, I don't know. As for the idea of waiting, sure, patience is a virtue, but we're talking possible days to months of waiting for a response. If the point if to gain a lot of power quickly, it seems counter intuitive that a response is not guaranteed in a timely matter. Of coure, real life gets in the way. No ones gets that better than me. But there needs to be an answer to this possibility, or some sort of failsafe.
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Post by Reikiko on Aug 6, 2015 20:03:10 GMT
wodsouls.freeforums.net/thread/1227/hyperbolic-time-chamberWe actually have a suggestion/debate topic about this already, in case you're curious about the past conversations about this subject. First things first: How to obtain access: Obviously this should be IC-related, aka meeting the Kami and getting permission. Note, that the chamber's access would likely be carefully monitored, so expect that the Kami will need to be an active person before we see any time chamber mechanics implanted. Albeit it raises questions whether you need a Kami's approval or not. You'd likely do to get out of the chamber, but a fair example: Reikiko knows about the chamber's existence (not its purpose) due to having lived at the lookout alongside the previous Kami Scargot. However, she isn't necessarily a hero (she is more like a Vegeta to our Z-fighters heroes, in the sense that she only helps them out when her goals align with them.) so why should she oocly end up being denied if a new Kami doesn't like her? She could icly just say 'screw them' enter the chamber (and likely be stuck there =P) On a serious note: Two suggestions have been raised so far by recent members. Suggestion 1: A regular gravity bonus of 10x that can be used twice with a word count limit. As someone who knows the mechanics of modifiers and bonuses I can say right now this is incredibly lackluster, and I'd just board my gravity chamber instead then. Suggestion 2: A single ooc day with a 10k wc limit, that is then multiplied by 12. On the surface this might sound like a nice idea but let me provide you a little peek at some potential gains: If I pre-write a time chamber topic of 10k and post it in one day (no way someone can confirm if I really wrote this all in one day or not) and then multiply it by 12... 110400 for one session This is way too overpowered for little to no effort, and in essence doing this twice would allow one to skip almost right into mid-game. To a lower level this might sound exciting, but imagine what would happen to those who worked incredibly hard to get to that point? It's rather unfair for such an extremely 'easy mode' to exist. The currently best (perhaps in my opinion) method that most agreed with so far is the following: Basically the time chamber counts as a free x150 gravity chamber session, that can be done twice without the need to train tolerance. There would be a word count cap like before, but this would make for a lot more managed number. For example Rei with this system would gain: 23000 from a single session with a cap of 10k. Certainly, it's a lesser number than +110k, but it's a lot more balanced, and when both uses are depleted I think a 46k from a special boost like the time chamber will be a lot more justified and doable than someone suddenly popping out with +220k PL
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Post by ken on Aug 6, 2015 20:08:14 GMT
Now that you mention it I didn't look into that possible explotation. It makes a lot of sense and your way fits I guess.
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Post by Vi-Poi on Aug 7, 2015 0:02:34 GMT
*peers up at Reikiko's PL, terrified* And I'm the reason for this? I agree there should be HBTC, maybe at a 200G rate for 2 sessions, with a 10k WC each limit so people don't push out 100k from each session. Access could be controlled by Kami, only for those who by the Dogi, though I don't much like the idea of Kami-affiliated goodies getting yet another easy PL boost as they do with Holy Water... hmm.
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Post by Mayze on Aug 7, 2015 0:26:19 GMT
*peers up at Reikiko's PL, terrified* And I'm the reason for this? I agree there should be HBTC, maybe at a 200G rate for 2 sessions, with a 10k WC each limit so people don't push out 100k from each session. Access could be controlled by Kami, only for those who by the Dogi, though I don't much like the idea of Kami-affiliated goodies getting yet another easy PL boost as they do with Holy Water... hmm. Perhaps we make some sort of evil version for the baddies? Currently the only boost that baddies get is the tree of might, and that's saga related. But, we don't have any evil positions that would be viable to give it too. The only place I could think where it could go is hell, but the afterlife already has a few neat boosts. The 200g rate does seem quite reasonable.
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