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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 1:52:31 GMT
So I was doing the math, and it seems that quite a few species can get about 100,000 power level at less than 34,000 pl, so here's my suggestion. All guards/sidekicks/minions get to have a race, as well as transformations. This means:
1) while they are classified as that race, they do NOT get the bonuses, just the transformations
2) it has to be reasonable with a training post why you have this guy, cause somebody like a human instantly working for an Arcosian on planet Name sounds stupid. Race relations should apply heavily.
3) if they transform through absorbing, your out of luck.
What do you think
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 2:06:51 GMT
I did not realize I messed up my account switching when I posted. Sorry.
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Post by Vi-Poi on Apr 22, 2015 2:14:19 GMT
This has been brought up and discussed before, we should find the links if we're going to make this a voting thread. That way we're always following the "discussion prior to voting" rule.
I think they should transform, but at an n-2 to their species maximum transformation. A Saiyan for instance would max out at SSJ2. That way they are never over-the-top at endgame, or comparable to the player characters, but can still be dangerous, especially with ki attack combinations.
I also think that the way their techs work need to be solidified. By the time you reach mid game, you have a ton of tech slot space. It's hard to think of ways to spend them after a while. I think that these tech slots should be spent on your minions in the exact same way that your techs are. A few exceptions will be that your minion can never learn a Special.
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Post by Mayze on Apr 22, 2015 2:17:24 GMT
Hmm, I suggest starting a new poll stating the suggestions already stated in the discussion thread.
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Post by President Bao on Apr 22, 2015 3:31:57 GMT
Hello Komoto Please avoid manipulative terminology like what is used in this poll, keep your argument for or against contained within your post itself, not embedded into the poll options in an attempt to bais the viewer and push their vote. It's kinda both deceitful and disrespectful (and a primary reason why the 'discussion threads before polls' rule exists). My concept for allies was that down the track we would implement purchaseable transformations and even techniques(? currently they are considered to share your own techs), but that for now their role is that of a subordinate eg. you have 100,000 pl and a 25% minion who you can task with dueling the people around 25,000pl, or even sit back in your floating chair and let them do the work. They're more meant to be there to pad out numbers or give low level players who enter a saga someone to face off with, or someone for you to RP as an off-sider of your main character. ---- Either way, there are very definite issues with making them just follow their race, as then everyone would just get arcosian allies and have a character who is far above their own pl as a minion. Will need a full discussion and careful consideration for something balanced and workable.
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Post by Hyoza on Apr 22, 2015 8:49:27 GMT
Maybe certain races should be barred from being used as NPC allies. Arcosians are a great example, as from an OOC perspective, buying a 75% Arcosian ally would give them access to an at-will x10 transformation, meaning you could have an ally who is (until much later in the game) actually waaaaaay stronger than the player who owns the character. Because their PL scales with the owner, they don't suffer the negative side effects of using True Form (negative modifiers to PL gains). An IC justification could quite easily be that Arcosians are not very numerous.
Also, rather than limiting what transformations they can access, I always thought it would be better to have buyable NPC transformations slightly weaker than those that players have access to. Maybe -1 or -2 from the multipliers for any trans that goes above x5? This way the characters can continue to develop and be useful, but they'll never be an instant win-button as player characters will have the edge.
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Post by Kaula on Apr 22, 2015 9:54:07 GMT
Not the guards. But maybe the minions/sidekicks. And maybe only the more expensive ones, if they are made a tad-bit more expensive. Maybe they can keep the non-transforming ones the same price and then add it another set of minions that do have transformations.
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Post by Hyoza on Apr 22, 2015 10:02:06 GMT
I wouldn't go for increasing their cost at all tbh. They already cost a buttload (7500z for the 25% sidekick alone!). The only reason this has come up as a topic of discussion is because they are so expensive, and become basically useless very early in-game, meaning they're a terrible investment of time and zeni to acquire.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 18:47:58 GMT
Ok so yesterday i propose NPC (Minions/Gaurds/Allies) transformations, and it seemed to have good support, however, it had some kinks to work out, so this is a new version i propose: 1) Price: should remain the same, they are already priced right in my opinion 2) Race and Abilities: They can look as any race, but they will NOT have class abilities, sort of a small nerf for the NPCs. And while They can look like any race, their technically going to be androids. (They WON'T have overdrive) 3) Transformations: Since they are Androids, they have the following transformations, however, since they are NPCs, they will have a limit on how far they can go in transformations, this is what i propose (couldn't think of names, and didn't want blanks, so here you go) Transformations: Sakura Useful (x6): PL requirement- 50,000; Permanent. While your ally isn't completely useless, do not count on your ally unless its a weak opponent TIER 2 Kakashi Useful (x9): PL requirement- 100,000; Permanent. The Ally starts proving his worth, then again he was always a bit of a bad*ss. While he can't win all the fights, he can hold his own against most guys enemies. TIER 3 First Hokage Useful(x16): PL requirement- 150,000; Permanent. Your enemies only have one word to describe him. God. Why this guy follows you or works for you, nobody knows.
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Post by Kaula on Apr 22, 2015 21:26:19 GMT
Only androids? Wtf. This was barely even discussed on the other thread..
Besides, this option literally only got one vote. Meaning you said "fuck you other results. I don't care about you."
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Post by Mayze on Apr 22, 2015 21:27:09 GMT
Only androids? Wtf. This was barely even discussed on the other thread.. We already had a discussion thread on it, before the other one.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 21:28:10 GMT
I'm only using the transformation modifiers. You can make them whatevernspecies you want, but it uses the androids transformation modifiers
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Post by Kaula on Apr 22, 2015 21:28:54 GMT
I'm only using the transformation modifiers. You can make them whatevernspecies you want, but it uses the androids transformation modifiers Okay, that makes more sense, then. My rage has been derailed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 21:31:07 GMT
Believe me, i don't want androids as my employees.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 21:32:30 GMT
Btw, to those saying they don't like it, please leave feedback why so we can implement it into the idea
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