Pipa
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PL: 19,119; Great Namek(Demonic Will) (x3); Makyo Star(x8); Items: One-Use Space Pod, Onyx Scimitar, 1 5,000PL Guard, Upgraded Ship (6 occupant ship), x80 Gravity Chamber, Heavy Weights; Zeni: 0
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Post by Pipa on Dec 21, 2014 23:31:15 GMT
Please drop some comments here so that we can get a poll running for Bya! Pro Change Argument (Bya, Pipa, Wyntre, Naroka, Zexama) Kojima wants to be a half-saiyan. He is currently using the android mechanics but allegedly had an agreement that he could change the template at another time. As far as I know either the evidence of this is missing, or the administrators/mods at the time misinterpreted his request. It could be argued that Koji has an intention to meta game for a better end game race here, using the newly released racial mechanics to try to gain the best end game advantage he could after seeing it come out. I would present the following case for Koji in getting it switched. 1. He could by the rules just scrap the character and regain most of the PL towards a new half-saiyan. He wants to retain his relationships & story of his character. Sometimes the character change you want is so major that you do need a totally new character, but in Bya's case the character is salvageable without needing to make a new one. 2. Kojima is still well within the first tier of play. In wodsouls.freeforums.net/thread/488/vote-retcon-characters-race-early retconning race won by a landslide. Bao's own opinion at the time was posted (he wasn't the admin at the time I think?) As Kojima has not really referred to himself as an android in the story, I don't really see the big issue in the change. 3. Even if he is trying to switch towards a better meta-game I honestly see nothing super exciting about hybrids for a power player other than maybe some racial customization. They are mostly behind the entire game, and at the end they still get out gunned by humans. If Koji was trying to get human strait up I'd probably scratch my chin a little more because his history as it was made does not support it (it clearly defines a Saiyan influence in his bloodline). If it were up to me I would switch the x50 from the humans and give it to the hybrids, but that is a debate for another time. With 20,000 pl Koji would rate one additional technique from the racial experience gain. It is my opinion that the conversion could be handled by making that extra slot he would gain from the hybrid conversion go towards buying off his ki suppression. -Pipa
No Change Argument (Post to be added)Reserved space for opposition argument.
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Kojima
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PL: 21,516; Hidden Potential (x4) 86,064; Items:Scouter, One-Use Space Pod; Zeni: 656
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Post by Kojima on Dec 21, 2014 23:48:45 GMT
Kojima wants to be a half-saiyan. He is currently using the android mechanics but allegedly had an agreement that he could change the template at another time. As far as I know either the evidence of this is missing, or the administrators/mods at the time misinterpreted his request. It could be argued that Koji has an intention to meta game for a better end game race here, using the newly released racial mechanics to try to gain the best end game advantage he could after seeing it come out. I would present the following case for Koji in getting it switched.
There is literally nothing gained from this switch except a change in mechanics. If anything it's worse for him because 1) He loses his increased durability, 2) He loses his immunity to ki sensing. He gains what? Zenkai 1?... That's it.... oh, and earlier techs learned.... wow, really big. Yep, that's definitely a massive gain and totally makes him better at "end game". As for this supposed "Lack of evidence" the evidence is clear. Both Ninjin AND Emer have remembered this deal being made and neither are ever biased towards me, Bao himself is the one that made the deal because, at the time this was made, He was literally the ONLY staff member I would even TALK too. 3) I would NEVER have even made the character if I DIDN'T get the ability to change his race mechanics later to half saiyan because Ninjin wanted him as a half saiyan but at the time he was made there were no half saiyan slots open so to compensate the deal was that at the moment that a half saiyan slot came open he was to be changed to half saiyan mechanics REGARDLESS OF ANY OTHER DETAIL NO MATTER WHAT IT IS meaning there literally was no "gaming the system" bull shit here. It was literally because I wanted him as a half saiyan and I couldn't have him as a half saiyan because AT THE TIME HE WAS CREATED THE HALF SAIYAN SLOTS WERE FILLED and therefore I was going to be allowed to change him to half saiyan mechanics the moment a slot became available and THIS DEAL WAS MADE LONG BEFORE ANY OF THE CURRENT SITE MECHANICS OR CHANGES WERE EVEN BEING DISCUSSED IN PUBLIC, IF AT ALL.
And if you honestly want any kind of IC evidence for this shit: He literally told Ninjin that he was part Saiyan IN CHARACTER and the ONLY reason nobody could detect him was because of his gauntlet WHICH I PLANNED ON HIM LOSING ANYWAYS EVEN IF HE HAD BEEN A HALF SAIYAN FROM THE START.
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Pipa
Archived
PL: 19,119; Great Namek(Demonic Will) (x3); Makyo Star(x8); Items: One-Use Space Pod, Onyx Scimitar, 1 5,000PL Guard, Upgraded Ship (6 occupant ship), x80 Gravity Chamber, Heavy Weights; Zeni: 0
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Post by Pipa on Dec 21, 2014 23:57:35 GMT
The only thing I could think you might need to do is take ki supression as a technique if you have one free. I think that would be fair as it is the only androidy thing that can't really be justified with a retcon (we could just view your overdrives as hidden potential uses really).
I will lawyer for you and hunt rulings down if anyone posts a rebuttal, if you have any PMs or proof I could add to the initial post upon the agreement I could also add them in to the main post for you. (just Pm them to me)
I would agree though. I am surprised that we don't have many androids, they are very under-rated even with overdrive kind of sucking until you get another transform. Compared to a demon they get a slightly more costly version of demonic skill that lasts a lot longer plus a crap ton of cool side perks.
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Kiba Dainichi
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PL: 11,560; Intense Struggle (x3): 34,680; Items: One-use pod, Medium Weights (5780 ; 17,340) Zeni: 890
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Post by Kiba Dainichi on Dec 22, 2014 0:00:55 GMT
The problem is (This is Koj btw) that Pieter has stated he remembers it, And is now denying having any knowledge of it. Bao is now stating that I'm using it to "Game the System" when this deal was made before Kojima was even fucking accepted and was on a very high verge of never being made because I COULDN'T make him as a half saiyan. Let's put it this way: If Pieter of Bao even mention denying this change or anything to that effect I'll be scrapping Kojima and moving his PL to a new character. Plain and simple. Not only this but I've stated time and again IN the cbox that the moment Kojima gets to be made half saiyan again I already had plans for how he'd go Super Saiyan and everything, I've mentioned it countless times in the cbox for the change of his official OOC race time and again over and over in the cbox.
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Pipa
Archived
PL: 19,119; Great Namek(Demonic Will) (x3); Makyo Star(x8); Items: One-Use Space Pod, Onyx Scimitar, 1 5,000PL Guard, Upgraded Ship (6 occupant ship), x80 Gravity Chamber, Heavy Weights; Zeni: 0
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Post by Pipa on Dec 22, 2014 0:07:08 GMT
Eh, i wouldn't take it so personally they may have just forgotten. I wouldn't give up so quickly because I am pretty sure you will win support by poll, and this is supposed to be a democratic system and I don't think they would veto it, it isn't going to break anything even if they don't like it themselves.
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Kiba Dainichi
Archived
PL: 11,560; Intense Struggle (x3): 34,680; Items: One-use pod, Medium Weights (5780 ; 17,340) Zeni: 890
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Post by Kiba Dainichi on Dec 22, 2014 0:18:42 GMT
It's not "giving up". It's not dealing with bullshit drama. If they don't want to allow it then I'll just make a new character and use his PL to increase w/e the BP PL I get is, simple as that.
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Pipa
Archived
PL: 19,119; Great Namek(Demonic Will) (x3); Makyo Star(x8); Items: One-Use Space Pod, Onyx Scimitar, 1 5,000PL Guard, Upgraded Ship (6 occupant ship), x80 Gravity Chamber, Heavy Weights; Zeni: 0
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Post by Pipa on Dec 22, 2014 0:21:28 GMT
Give me one week.
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Post by Wyntre Cold on Dec 22, 2014 0:52:56 GMT
I agree, this is fine. It's quite early on and see no substantial reason not to. *promptly leaves*
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Pipa
Archived
PL: 19,119; Great Namek(Demonic Will) (x3); Makyo Star(x8); Items: One-Use Space Pod, Onyx Scimitar, 1 5,000PL Guard, Upgraded Ship (6 occupant ship), x80 Gravity Chamber, Heavy Weights; Zeni: 0
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Post by Pipa on Dec 22, 2014 1:01:31 GMT
With 20,000 pl Koji would rate one additional technique from the racial experience gain. It is my opinion that the conversion could be handled by making that extra slot he would gain go towards buying off his ki suppression.
We need to hear from the opposition to this as well before we can form a poll that represents the people well enough President Bao, Pieter Wolfbane, if you could drop a few reasons why the request was denied or delayed it would be very helpful for the community to make an informed polling decision. The possible poll choices that seem to be popular so far from some anonymous feedback are the following. 1. Yes, just a strait conversion. 2. Yes, but the extra technique that Bya would gain by being a halfbreed so far MUST be Ki Supression. 3. No.
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Naroka
Rising Soul
Official Warrior Caste Master; PL: 55,459; Guardian Namek(x7): 388,213; Items:One-Use SpacePod, Heavy Weights 13864.25 | 97053.25, Level 1 Ship with Level 1 Gravity chamber; Zeni: 386
Tag: @manwithantenna
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Post by Naroka on Dec 22, 2014 15:44:19 GMT
Doesn't seem to be any real reason as to not allowing it.
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Post by Zexama on Dec 22, 2014 23:24:28 GMT
I see no problems with this, I agree.
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Post by Pieter Wolfbane on Jan 22, 2015 5:02:17 GMT
Alright, I will apply this here and now:
I absolutely did not disapprove of it. We had a very lengthy conversation, giving an option and good story reason to show that the character may view the current state of himself better than what he'd find out, if the situation followed itself. (Intimacy between Kojima and Ninjin has Ninjin getting preggers and they need genetic confirmation that Koji's the father. After test 1, Koji finds out he's part human and Koji breaks the machine, saying that it's wrong. Thereafter, the doctor does different tests, each one identifying, "Kojima, part saiyan, part human," with him subsequently breaking each machine after.)
After semi-rping this out, I asked Kojima if he still wished for the android to remain and he said no. I then said ok. That was it.
So, doing this in the open, I'm approving this. There's a resounding approval of this happening as well, from other members too. It'd be appropriate, on top of that, for Kojima to have learned Ki Sense from the machine, which would become removed. That would be the request made and, I'm pretty sure of it, Kojima, that you'd agree to that too. Right?
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Post by President Bao on Jan 25, 2015 14:03:38 GMT
Basically, Kojima jumped the gun on this one and started making some erratic assumptions. This was never an issue, and appears to have been more an attempt to force his profile update to be done faster? (unfortunately backfiring quite drastically)
Our available time is finite(some times being worse than others for myself), so the quickest way to get something done is to pm or message us politely and wait patiently. Causing a fuss straight off the bat will only delay things further as we get forced to chase up leads and play damage control instead of addressing your original task like we'd prefer to. Still, good on you pip for making a thread presenting the case and going about this in an organised manner. I believe this is all sorted now.
--- (11) [tracking for myself so I don't miss any threads]
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