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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 0:03:11 GMT
Alrighty, Lets begin... Things have been extremely hectic for myself, and there are many reasons for the permanent departure, I would like to point them down as to assist anyone who might have similar qualms see my point on these conflicts that arose. I have been contemplating this leave for months now, mainly due to the fact that I have seen this going down ever since I joined nearly two years ago under a different name (Long since forgotten and lost) and I have finally come to the conclusion that this site will never become anything like it has advertised. When I first joined the site, I was enthralled by the powers and difference in character, always people in combat and the ability to do what I wanted with my character whenever I wanted. I saw this cloud of good guys, obviously pointless to even join the ranks, since I saw that the Evil characters needed backup. The Evil characters seemed to always get the bad end of the stick, seeming to be just pawns under the queen's foot as she squished every single one. The good guys had the power, the numbers, and even the characters that were effective evil characters have joined the ranks of the pure good, the development of these division between conflict and peace has been way to wide in these days, which is the main reason for my leave. It has been made clear that Bad Guys are meant to suffer on the site, since everyone follows the mind set of basic fairy tale law for the evil and bad characters, that they will always fall underneath the hands of good, be it now or later. But on WODSouls, it has been made clear that it'll almost most definitely be sooner, since there are barely any evil characters who can manage their own against the hordes of powerful good characters. This is only one small thing I noticed sadly, as there is very big uneven division between new characters developing and the older characters only getting more and more powerful, it is pointless to even try as a weaker newbie to hope you can ever attain power similar to that of the Older players who have been around since the beginning. The older players clearly receive better treatment and such then the younger players, and I have even been told by a certain someone that the Older players receive the same grading formula as the Moderators, which is 1 for 1 Wordcount to PL/Zeni. Older characters are oftentimes more likely to receive certain bonuses compared to others, which includes but is not limited to- Beezlebub Training King Kai Training etc. And this is just the beginning of it. If you are new, you are usually just pushed aside when it comes to ideas. Sure, there was that guy who gave a new idea and left and it was great so we started using it, but that is a one time occurrence. Newbies often give dieas for changes and they usually get pushed aside for reasons of "There is a reason we dont do that" or "That is pointless so no". Countless times my ideas have been shot down with crappy and useless examples as to why my ideas are pointless. All in all, it all comes down to me leaving, and while all these things set me on the course to leaving, that isn't the full reason for my departure. I have noticed my horrible memory and possible Dementia getting much much worse, and I have even had moments of forgetting what I was doing, to where/who I even was for moments. I would rather not cause conflict here with my horrid memory and mental in-capabilities, making my posts pushed back days or even weeks, and I wish to not cause trouble for everyone. My distaste for this site and it's mechanics beside my pain is only making the stress on my only worse and worse. Sorry guys, but I seriously have to leave for good now... And I hate it a lot. Goodbye, and it was fun while it lasted. HansGruberDelsi Elizabeth Parker Kuriza
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Post by Shen Fennel on Feb 5, 2017 0:10:08 GMT
Well i disagree with some of the stuff your saying, i think i understand somewhat were your coming from. However, we will welcome you all back with open arms if you decide to ever return. Best wishes
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Post by Zucceta on Feb 5, 2017 0:13:31 GMT
Alrighty, Lets begin... The older players clearly receive better treatment and such then the younger players, and I have even been told by a certain someone that the Older players receive the same grading formula as the Moderators, which is 1 for 1 Wordcount to PL/Zeni. Older characters are oftentimes more likely to receive certain bonuses compared to others, which includes but is not limited to- Beezlebub Training King Kai Training etc. And this is just the beginning of it. If you are new, you are usually just pushed aside when it comes to ideas. Sure, there was that guy who gave a new idea and left and it was great so we started using it, but that is a one time occurrence. Newbies often give dieas for changes and they usually get pushed aside for reasons of "There is a reason we dont do that" or "That is pointless so no". Countless times my ideas have been shot down with crappy and useless examples as to why my ideas are pointless. HansGruberDelsi Elizabeth Parker KurizaI'm sorry that you're leaving (truly) but all of the stuff I've quoted here is outright lies. Older members do not get a 1:1 PLPW, nor do members of staff (outside of a few that actually hit the quality ranking) and it certainly isn't a bias. In fact, newer members get literal buffs towards getting stronger, so that "certain someone" can shove off the edge of my- Pretty much all ideas are ignored inclusively./s We consider every idea, old and new, with equal weighting. A lot of the time, however, newer members repeat suggestions other members have previously suggested. Debates have been had and, when i get time to look at suggestions and see a repeat, i try to link the previous debates, which usually convinces the member to not continue with the suggestion. You also mention about evil characters being shafted--which ignores every successful villain. RRVi, Zucceta, Xylo, Noxa Walker all spring to mind, and I know for sure there are more further back in the site's history. Anyway--I hope that your health concerns aren't terrible, and that you can get treatment, if only for the symptoms if not the root. Yours sincerely, therevolution.
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Post by Rafar on Feb 5, 2017 0:27:34 GMT
Your choice I guess, but I would like to go over a few of your points if you don't mind. While I agree with you that villains tend to get destroyed a lot, I think you are missing the point slightly. Yes evil characters have became good, but it was a gradual progression and there were many good plot reasons for doing so. If they had fun with the transition, does it matter? Also, I don't exactly think that there are no villains on the site right now, considering all the heroes that attempted to stop Xylo are either dead or fleeing for their lives.
On to the next point, the older member bonus. This may be a bit blunt, but older members are always going to be stronger than you. Except if your NOXA. In fact, at least to my understanding, the LMB bonuses for stronger people weaken. I think the main reason for big gains would be the x150 gravity training, which does take a while to get up too. As for the King Kai/Beezle training, it isn't so much linked to time on the site as it is to deeds performed. If you joined last month, got really strong, and did lots of evil deeds, you would have a pretty good chance at AL tutoring.
Thats just my two cents though, have fun wherever you end up. Hope you get better.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 0:30:43 GMT
On to the next point, the older member bonus. This may be a bit blunt, but older members are always going to be stronger than you. Except if your NOXA.
Hi, I'm Noxa. You're not wrong on a lot of what you said, mostly because I have heard the same complaints from new players that I interact with outside of the site. But you're honestly going to find the same issues, if not horrendously worse, everywhere else you go. In the end of the day nothing matters. Just ignore the community and do what you want. That's how you have fun.
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Post by Vi-Poi on Feb 5, 2017 4:23:18 GMT
I'd like to add to Zucceta's reply with a response of each point, because they're obviously felt by more people than just you. My responses are in blue italics. Alrighty, Lets begin... The Evil characters seemed to always get the bad end of the stick, seeming to be just pawns under the queen's foot as she squished every single one. Not sure who this queen is, but evil characters are hard to stick with for reasons way beyond game design or game administration. They're hard to stick with because a lot of people get heated in competitive environments and villains are the most-competitive by nature. This isn't limited to a shared RP like ours. I'm sure you can remember a bunch of times in any type of game where someone abruptly and mercilessly destroys someone else, and the loser gets really salty. It's human nature, that's all. The good guys had the power, the numbers, and even the characters that were effective evil characters have joined the ranks of the pure good, the development of these division between conflict and peace has been way to wide in these days, which is the main reason for my leave. There isn't a lot I can say here besides it's not staff's business to police who and how many should be goodies and who and how many should be baddies.It has been made clear that Bad Guys are meant to suffer on the site, since everyone follows the mind set of basic fairy tale law for the evil and bad characters, that they will always fall underneath the hands of good, be it now or later. But on WODSouls, it has been made clear that it'll almost most definitely be sooner, since there are barely any evil characters who can manage their own against the hordes of powerful good characters. Meant to suffer? What made that clear? We can look at any number of DEs, and show plenty of people from anywhere on the alignment getting bonked.
This is only one small thing I noticed sadly, as there is very big uneven division between new characters developing and the older characters only getting more and more powerful, it is pointless to even try as a weaker newbie to hope you can ever attain power similar to that of the Older players who have been around since the beginning. The older players clearly receive better treatment and such then the younger players, and I have even been told by a certain someone that the Older players receive the same grading formula as the Moderators, which is 1 for 1 Wordcount to PL/Zeni. Older characters are oftentimes more likely to receive certain bonuses compared to others, which includes but is not limited to- There's a lot wrong with this paragraph. First, we've ramped up the gains for new players multiple times. They're at the fastest it's ever been. Can it get any faster? Maybe, if we start to see a big need for it. But the journey from 0-100k is not half as bad as it used to be. Not even close. At the same time, we're severely restricting gains for those at the top. The site's PL dispersion is getting more-and-more clumped together as time goes on. The median is catching up to the average, and competitiveness on the site in terms of PL has never been better (which is probably why you're starting to see a lot more DEs).
Your idea about the grading formula is utterly wrong and whoever told you that is misinformed or lying. Moderators don't receive a boost in the grading formula. There are no perks to being a moderator or an admin, only (quite often thankless) unpaid work and double the warning points for breaking the rules. There are mods, old players, and new players all over the quality spectrum. The quality weight is a collective judgement of character quality and writing quality.Beezlebub Training King Kai Training etc. Not at all how AL Trainers work, though time-on-site is for sure a correlation (most of the time).And this is just the beginning of it. If you are new, you are usually just pushed aside when it comes to ideas. Sure, there was that guy who gave a new idea and left and it was great so we started using it, but that is a one time occurrence. Newbies often give dieas for changes and they usually get pushed aside for reasons of "There is a reason we dont do that" or "That is pointless so no". Countless times my ideas have been shot down with crappy and useless examples as to why my ideas are pointless. As Zucceta pointed out, many ideas have already been floated and analyzed to the nth degree in the past. So, there are indeed reasons we don't do that, as you said. I'm not sure what specifically you were trying to change, but I can probably give you a more detailed response on why we didn't implement x or y. Most of the stuff probably has a lot to do with design philosophy. We have a design mission that attempts to keep things simple. We aren't freeform because (most of us) don't believe that fighting RPs and freeform mixes well. So while we do have fighting mechanics to keep competition honest, we try to resist turning Souls into an overwrought video game like many sites do.
Another part is, some people fly in hot off the skillet and try to change the world in their first few days before they even understand the basics of the site or have even played in some instances. If you were a car mechanic, and some kid who's never seen the inside of a hood or even driven a car ran into your garage and said, "Hey mista I think you should hook my bike-chain onto your alternator instead of that rubber fan belt because metal is stronger duhhh." would you listen?
All in all, it all comes down to me leaving, and while all these things set me on the course to leaving, that isn't the full reason for my departure. I have noticed my horrible memory and possible Dementia getting much much worse, and I have even had moments of forgetting what I was doing, to where/who I even was for moments. I would rather not cause conflict here with my horrid memory and mental in-capabilities, making my posts pushed back days or even weeks, and I wish to not cause trouble for everyone. My distaste for this site and it's mechanics beside my pain is only making the stress on my only worse and worse. Sorry guys, but I seriously have to leave for good now... And I hate it a lot. Goodbye, and it was fun while it lasted. Sorry to see you go. Not sure what else I can say besides our current staff roster is one of the fairest, most even-handed groups I've ever worked with, on or off the interwebs. But I hope you find what you're looking for.HansGruberDelsi Elizabeth Parker Kuriza
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Post by Majin Makaz on Feb 5, 2017 5:18:46 GMT
Good luck to you, i'll remember you as the fighter Makaz met, and quite literally his rival..D: BYE!!!!
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Post by Kizuki on Feb 5, 2017 21:00:46 GMT
As someone who used to be on staff and used to do a bulk of the grading, I can say that whoever told you that older members and staff get preferential treatment and higher PLPW gains is a complete moron that is talking out of their ass. Rev hit it on the head. Whoever has a high PLPW grade EARNED it, and there are less than FIVE people who are a perfect 1:1 on the WHOLE SITE, if everything has stayed the same since I was on staff.
As someone who plays a character that teeters on the line between "good" and "bad" guy, I can understand some of your points, but my main concern is to always have fun. If I'm not having fun, or if I'm not into it, I give myself a break and re-energize my RP batteries in whatever way I need to. This is not a competition. If you look at it that sort of selfish way, then you won't have fun and you're better off taking a break or leaving for however long as to not stress yourself out further.
Is there a feeling of needing to "race" up to a high PL for some sort of relevance? Sometimes. But if you're truly focused on being a relevant focal point to the plot of the site, and not just for yourself, you'll take the time to not only develop your character's strength but their story as well.
With a few months break in between my 1 year here on Souls, Kizuki's plot is shaping up for himself and I'm at 215k PL. I think, as Vi said, most people try to re-invent the wheel before they've even ridden a bike here. Take your time and enjoy yourself. If you're not, then take a break.
Seeing as they deleted their account I offer this friendly piece of senior citizen advice to everyone else if they choose to want to take it.
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