Post by Vi-Poi on Jun 5, 2015 20:18:20 GMT
No offense taken
What I said was accurate though, and aren't in dispute during any analysis of Overdrive -- base Android is =not= middle or high tier, and saying so is either dishonest or mistaken.
I don't think anyone ever disputed that Overdrive was good. It is good, particularly in the middle of the game (Demon skill, as you pointed out, is usually better). I think your numbers are a bit cherry-picked for Overdrive high water marks (why not show the entire domain?), and are off besides. Let's take a look at the whole measure along with the segments you spoke about:
Overdroid 0-20k rounding out the 3rd placers with a x3 (4th place if you count SSJ etc at 3.3). Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 20k-50k Still in 3rd place. Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 50k-70k 2nd place now, in their first real showing. Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 70k-100k 2nd place still, though if you count Demon Skill's x12 they're in 3rd. Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 100k-120k, tied for 1st with SSJ & Demon Skill. Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 120k-140k, tied for 2nd with SSJ & Demon Skill. Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 140k-150k, still at x12, tied for 4th with SSJ (Demon Skill at a whopping x21 here). Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 150k-220k, Overdroid's best peak in the game, attributing their 'n shape'. Edging out Demon & Namekian by +x1 (though beaten by Demon Skill's x21). Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 220k-230k, at 2nd place, beat by Namekian's x20 (and Demon Skill's x21). Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 230k-240k at true 1st place for the first point in the game, beating all other possible modifiers for the next 10k in progression. Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 240k-250k at 1st nominally, beaten by Demon Skill's x26. Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 250k-275k tied for 1st with Alien A, Hybrids, and SSJ2. Beaten By Demon Skill's x26. Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 275k-300k in 2nd to a x28 Bio Android, or 3rd if you're counting Demon Skill. Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 300k-330k in true first again for the next 30k, edging out the Namekian by +2x. Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 330k-385k in 2nd to their Bio cousins. Other species growing around it. Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 385k-400k in 3rd place now, behind Demon and Bio (Demon at x39 or w/ Skill x43, 5-9 points above Overdroid) Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 400k-425k in 2nd to Bio again, or Bio and Demon Skill. Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 425k-450k tied for 3rd with Namekians. Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 450k-460k tied for 3rd with Alien A and Namekians now. Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 460k-500k tied for 4th with Namekian. Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 500k- tied for 5th with Namekian, or 2nd to last. Costs 1k Zeni to use.
The reason why I'm putting the costs up in each line is because I think they're wildly understated. We can't pretend that an Android will compete at every instance with those numbers. Every time there is a competitive use, the toggle down with a -x1 is to take effect, and it costs 1,000 Zeni to realign. You might say that's only 1 training a week, but look at the numbers, that's 24 hefty trainings, or around 36,000 WC (more than most will write their whole time here, or about 22% of my entire words for the site) just for pulling that during each of those tiers. Other species enjoy higher modifiers without ever having to expend any WC on it (including Demon Skill, and I'm glad you brought that up).
I'm not saying Overdrive is an under-preformer. It's a great tool, and if Androids didn't have it they would tremendously suck. But it's not a win button. It's a strong stack that comes with a stiff price, and many times when it's ordinally at the top tier, it's batting only +x1 or +x2 above the next lowest tier which is highly populated, all of those not paying the stiff price for their good place.
What I said was accurate though, and aren't in dispute during any analysis of Overdrive -- base Android is =not= middle or high tier, and saying so is either dishonest or mistaken.
I don't think anyone ever disputed that Overdrive was good. It is good, particularly in the middle of the game (Demon skill, as you pointed out, is usually better). I think your numbers are a bit cherry-picked for Overdrive high water marks (why not show the entire domain?), and are off besides. Let's take a look at the whole measure along with the segments you spoke about:
Overdroid 0-20k rounding out the 3rd placers with a x3 (4th place if you count SSJ etc at 3.3). Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 20k-50k Still in 3rd place. Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 50k-70k 2nd place now, in their first real showing. Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 70k-100k 2nd place still, though if you count Demon Skill's x12 they're in 3rd. Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 100k-120k, tied for 1st with SSJ & Demon Skill. Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 120k-140k, tied for 2nd with SSJ & Demon Skill. Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 140k-150k, still at x12, tied for 4th with SSJ (Demon Skill at a whopping x21 here). Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 150k-220k, Overdroid's best peak in the game, attributing their 'n shape'. Edging out Demon & Namekian by +x1 (though beaten by Demon Skill's x21). Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 220k-230k, at 2nd place, beat by Namekian's x20 (and Demon Skill's x21). Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 230k-240k at true 1st place for the first point in the game, beating all other possible modifiers for the next 10k in progression. Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 240k-250k at 1st nominally, beaten by Demon Skill's x26. Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 250k-275k tied for 1st with Alien A, Hybrids, and SSJ2. Beaten By Demon Skill's x26. Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 275k-300k in 2nd to a x28 Bio Android, or 3rd if you're counting Demon Skill. Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 300k-330k in true first again for the next 30k, edging out the Namekian by +2x. Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 330k-385k in 2nd to their Bio cousins. Other species growing around it. Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 385k-400k in 3rd place now, behind Demon and Bio (Demon at x39 or w/ Skill x43, 5-9 points above Overdroid) Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 400k-425k in 2nd to Bio again, or Bio and Demon Skill. Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 425k-450k tied for 3rd with Namekians. Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 450k-460k tied for 3rd with Alien A and Namekians now. Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 460k-500k tied for 4th with Namekian. Costs 1k Zeni to use.
Overdroid 500k- tied for 5th with Namekian, or 2nd to last. Costs 1k Zeni to use.
The reason why I'm putting the costs up in each line is because I think they're wildly understated. We can't pretend that an Android will compete at every instance with those numbers. Every time there is a competitive use, the toggle down with a -x1 is to take effect, and it costs 1,000 Zeni to realign. You might say that's only 1 training a week, but look at the numbers, that's 24 hefty trainings, or around 36,000 WC (more than most will write their whole time here, or about 22% of my entire words for the site) just for pulling that during each of those tiers. Other species enjoy higher modifiers without ever having to expend any WC on it (including Demon Skill, and I'm glad you brought that up).
I'm not saying Overdrive is an under-preformer. It's a great tool, and if Androids didn't have it they would tremendously suck. But it's not a win button. It's a strong stack that comes with a stiff price, and many times when it's ordinally at the top tier, it's batting only +x1 or +x2 above the next lowest tier which is highly populated, all of those not paying the stiff price for their good place.