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Post by Lusca on Jan 27, 2016 12:50:45 GMT
Theoretical situation. Lusca and Paengi both reach 100,000 PL, one of them is greatly injured by an evil threat, and the wounded one is absorbed into the still strong one. Sort of like the Nail Piccolo moment on Namek in the Frieza saga. The fused one, lets say Lusca is the dominant one that gets fused into, becomes Ascended Namekian because of the PL gain from fusing with Paengi, fights the threat and win.
Could Paengi then continue to post, but as a voice in Lusca's head that only she could hear and interact with, slowly gaining his own PL within their shared space inside Lusca's body. Could they then Fission later on after a set amount of time or PL requirements, back into being Lusca and Paengi respectively, with Lusca losing the PL she gained from the initial Fusion as a result of that Fission?
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Post by Kizuki on Jan 27, 2016 14:23:25 GMT
In terms of canon, no. Once the Namekian host takes in the other Namekian they are gone. The host Namekian takes in their knowledge and memories, also parts of their personality.
The voices in their head is a TFS thing.
The nameless Namekian could split into the Namekian that would become Kami and Piccolo Daimao, and it's assumed that's something other people could do as well. I believe in the case you're referring to above, if the new, fused Namekian were to split into two Namekians one would be evil, one good but they'd essentially be an offshoot of the fused Namekian, not their former selves.
Also, I believe Pae is a by product of a Namekian splitting itself into good and evil counterparts. I'd assume if Pae were to fuse with anyone that evil counterpart would die, no?
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Post by Queen Habana on Jan 27, 2016 14:50:50 GMT
@pae's other half dying. Not likely considering Kami was fine after Piccolo fused with Nail they don't 'die' when they fuse they simply become a single being so the connection would shift to the new namekian.
I'm overall not fond of the idea of fused nameks being able to simply defuse, the idea of it is refrenced in Canon BUT it is refrenced by someone who knows nothing of the process(piccolo) and Nail even laughs as he accepts which the way he responded felt more like him just humoring piccolo in order to get things rolling.
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Post by Kizuki on Jan 27, 2016 15:05:14 GMT
@pae's other half dying. Not likely considering Kami was fine after Piccolo fused with Nail they don't 'die' when they fuse they simply become a single being so the connection would shift to the new namekian. I'm overall not fond of the idea of fused nameks being able to simply defuse, the idea of it is refrenced in Canon BUT it is refrenced by someone who knows nothing of the process(piccolo) and Nail even laughs as he accepts which the way he responded felt more like him just humoring piccolo in order to get things rolling. True, though because Piccolo was the host we can't really be too sure. Maybe it's the only loophole then. To be honest, canon-wise, they can't. It was a thing that was made to be permanent to boost of Piccolo's powerlevel and keep up with the Saiyajin of the series. I'm not sure where it was referenced that they can but in terms of the series / manga Nail made it quite clear he was going "bye-bye" and Piccolo would feel differently, almost not like his true self. The same could be said for Kami and Piccolo during Cell, as Kami insisted on waiting until the last minute to fuse with Piccolo, since if Cell was considered a non-threat he wouldn't have done it. Perhaps it was in reference to what the original Nameless Namekian did in order to create the eventual Kami and Daimao splits? I still think if Piccolo were to split today, it would not be as Kami and Piccolo, or Nail and Piccolo. The two Namekians would be an offshoot of the fusion that is Piccolo, Nail, and Kami. Essentially, to have Lusc and Pae do what is suggested in the original post --we need the fusion dance and rules for it.
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Post by Paengi on Jan 27, 2016 15:06:37 GMT
I think it would make fusion much more attractive. How it could work is: after fusion, I would keep my PL but not be able to thread. I could use solos to keep relevant in the subconscious but thats all. After either an amount of irl time or a gain of a certain pl, we could then split.
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Post by Bing Gan on Jan 27, 2016 15:07:31 GMT
*awaits the day we can actually find a good way to implement Fusion Dance and Potara*
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Post by Kizuki on Jan 27, 2016 15:08:52 GMT
I think it would make fusion much more attractive. How it could work is: after fusion, I would keep my PL but not be able to thread. I could use solos to keep relevant in the subconscious but thats all. After either an amount of irl time or a gain of a certain pl, we could then split. That's, essentially, the fusion dance. Not Namekian fusion and fission. Just not how it works canon-wise. How the team here wants to do it is another thing.
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Post by Otto on Jan 27, 2016 16:42:05 GMT
As far as fusion goes for namekians, I believe only the dominant should continue playing- with perhaps an allowance for the one who loses a character to still be able to do a pl transfer to a new character without penalty to the pl that they grant to the dominant namekian.
I am hijacking this thread to propose a fission mechanic for pairs of players that start out with two characters who are fissions of one another. The bp bonus would be specifically aimed at two players who are creating fresh characters together.
Deathlink- If one dies, so does the other. (I am assuming this is already in place, which is a disadvantage to a fission pair that doesn't give any positive benefit to freshly appd fission characters because they didn't have a pl to give).
BP bonus- Both BP power levels of the new characters are averaged and then halved. Both halves get this pl boost to offset the deathlink disadvantage. So if one started at 3000 and another at 4000 they would get a bonus of 1,750 pl. (hardly a real consolation for the deathlink, but better than nothing!)
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Post by Mayze on Jan 27, 2016 17:23:52 GMT
Not a fan of Namekians defusing, personally. Just doesn't make much sense cannon wise. I do, however, think that said person who fuses with another Namekian does lose their character forever. However, I think that they should be able to transfer all, or perhaps only 75% of their PL and perhaps maybe 50% of their zeni to a new character. Maybe a max transfer of 100k pl and maybe 50k zeni. That way we don't have people popping up from the middle of nowhere with huge power level's. I think that'd be neat.
As for Otto's fission idea, I love it, fantastic idea. It encourages people to develop plots together which is always awesome and great. However, it may be problematic if both people post their BP's many days apart. (Or just does a transfer in general.) Perhaps a further bonus could be implemented if they thread together or something? I dunno, just some neat ideas to throw around.
EDIT: A problem with the thread bonus I suggested is that it would be difficult to keep track of the Namekian pairs.
EDIT2: A slight problem with your BP idea, Otto, is that one of the two players may not stick around for all that long.
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Post by Otto on Jan 27, 2016 18:08:57 GMT
Not a fan of Namekians defusing, personally. Just doesn't make much sense cannon wise. I do, however, think that said person who fuses with another Namekian does lose their character forever. However, I think that they should be able to transfer all, or perhaps only 75% of their PL and perhaps maybe 50% of their zeni to a new character. Maybe a max transfer of 100k pl and maybe 50k zeni. That way we don't have people popping up from the middle of nowhere with huge power level's. I think that'd be neat. As for Otto's fission idea, I love it, fantastic idea. It encourages people to develop plots together which is always awesome and great. However, it may be problematic if both people post their BP's many days apart. (Or just does a transfer in general.) Perhaps a further bonus could be implemented if they thread together or something? I dunno, just some neat ideas to throw around. EDIT: A problem with the thread bonus I suggested is that it would be difficult to keep track of the Namekian pairs. EDIT2: A slight problem with your BP idea, Otto, is that one of the two players may not stick around for all that long. For the issue of BP's being spread out I think we could still add it after the second bp comes in. Not ideal though for sure. As far as one dipping out and abuse in general, it is a relatively small bonus, and we could cap it to 2,000pl. That way any damage done would be minimal.
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Post by Zucceta on Jan 27, 2016 21:41:17 GMT
PC Namekian fusion is always permanent and irreversible (at the very least on this website). The trade off for a useful power boost for one character is the other character essentially becoming an aspect of the stronger Namekian (no, not voices in the head).
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Post by Bing Gan on Jan 27, 2016 22:32:36 GMT
I personally assumed Deathlink was already a thing. I was gonna have Xylo kick the bucket if Katagyu died, but he's been banned, so I guess that doesn't really matter :/ (Btw, would I be allowed to retcon who my fission is? Xylo and Katagyu never actually met, so would it be alright to just kinda pretend some other Namekian was my fission originally?)
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Post by Kaula on Jan 28, 2016 0:14:40 GMT
I wouldn't mind, bong
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Post by Zucceta on Jan 28, 2016 0:20:25 GMT
Sounds fine to me, Bing. Maybe you could work with a new Namekian player in future, or get a friend to play the good fission.
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