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Post by Tako on Jul 8, 2015 7:27:14 GMT
I'm afraid you were just operating under a faulty assumption, Aspa.
As Rukkora says - gravity chambers in the setting have a 'maximum output'. You can choose to flavour that as 1-15x Vegeta's gravity if you want (in which case, the 1 is a little odd but meh) or 10-150x Earth's gravity. Hell, you can even choose to flavour it as TEN BILLION OOGLOOKS - ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY BILLION OOGLOOKS if you want.
But the actual 'effect' you're getting out of your chamber is equivalent to 10-150x Earth's gravity. The saiyan race isn't capable of creating gravity chambers which work better than anyone else's just because their planet has more gravity. That'd be fuckin' weird - it is a function of technology, not the origin of the world.
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Post by Pieter Wolfbane on Jul 8, 2015 7:28:42 GMT
As much as I like the suggestive thought about this about gravity idea about gravity, it would not effect the amount of gravity your character is undergoing in the chamber. Simply put: Vegeta's gravity is set to Earth's. This is due to the planet being altered for a few thousand of years, and thus, weaker entities compared to those of the past (the current canon) are born.
Anyway, going into actual mechanics, Vegeta gravity=Earth's gravity. This means 10X Earth gravity would just be 10X Earth Gravity, and so forth. Flavoring your character's training at higher levels than it is is ludicrous, because if you think about it, Vegeta, who's far superior than our current stage saiyans, couldn't handle the immense pressure gravity of x500 was doing to him. Our characters would literally become crushed into pin balls because the gravity on their bodies is so intense and hasn't had proper adjustment, which at most is X150 gravity.
We are not playing the stronger blood of the past. We are playing the weaker blood of the present (which is the age of 2801, July 8th for current date tracking for those wondering). 'Flavoring your character at x1000 gravity' is not something you can simply do! A gravity chamber is designed with the integrity of being able to resist up to a specific gravity that is universal to all entities that can be called humanoid, or for that matter, sentient.
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Post by Mojo on Jul 8, 2015 14:12:31 GMT
This idea makes no sense.
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Post by Vi-Poi on Jul 8, 2015 15:08:05 GMT
I'd say no, for several reasons. First off, the 450x gravity chamber Vegeta used was rigged by an exceptional genius, Bulma. Second, Vegeta himself was a very exceptional Saiyan, arguably the second strongest to ever live by the end of Z.
Vegeta was at the cusp of SSJ by then, and was badly injured when he tried 500G, so had to toggle it back down to 450G. Is Aspa more than 3x the strength of Trunks Saga Vegeta?
1500G is a staggering figure. To put it in astronomical perspectives, that's more than 50 times the weight of the Sun, nearly 3 times more massive than the largest star ever detected, and would be the equivalent of being inside a monster-sized black hole. I'm not sure even end of Z could handle anywhere near that, because Vegeta eludes to Pui Pui that 500G may still slow him down.
Besides the lore, there are good gameplay reasons why I see not to allow it. If every player could have a 'fake G training number' and a 'real G training number' it'd be unnecessarily confusing to graders (and other players). What if people started flavoring their 10G as a 100G training? Would a staff member know that they were mechanically at 10, and not really at 100? Where would the line of reasonableness be? If 1500G is reasonable, why not 1,000,000G? There is already more than enough mechanics confusion without adding an additional layer of obfuscation on top of it. In addition to that, what if we extend gravity training past 150G? It would add even more confusion, because there will be people who are supposedly beyond that figure.
There are plenty of ways you can flavor mechanics here, including items and NPCs, but I don't see this as a good one to flavor.
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Post by Zucceta on Jul 8, 2015 17:00:32 GMT
This does just seem generally unreasonable. Gravity machines operate from 'earth standard' units, so ten times refers to ten times Earth gravity. This can be explained as modern gravitrons being derivatives of the Bulma capsule corporation creation. And yeah, you/saiyans wouldn't be training at 10x what everyone else is training at. The fact is, the chamber you're using (mine, let's not forget) is set at Earth standard units.
And, let's do some quick science; 30x gravity would be like standing on the surface of the sun. 150x, our current maximum, is FIVE TIMES THAT, and gravitational force doesn't necessary increase linearly.
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Post by Mayze on Jul 8, 2015 17:04:38 GMT
Aspa, this is a moot point. Why even bother if it changes nothing? You'll still get the same grade percentile, and like Vip said, it just isn't logical. We don't want to add more complexity to an already complex system. Keep things simple and relaxed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 18:12:04 GMT
Then, I guess reset my gains from gravity training. Like I said before, I was operating under a false assumption. Aspa was using Vegeta's gravity while training within the gravity chambers, it would not make sense IC to suddenly switch from using Vegeta's Gravity to Earth's Gravity. At x50, in character he'd feel less pressure due to him training at 400 times Earth's Gravity due to him training in Vegeta Gravity. I'll redo all of the training, I don't mind. Like I said it wouldn't make sense from IC due to the switch even if I were using the exact same mechanics OOC.
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Post by Mayze on Jul 8, 2015 18:18:01 GMT
Then, I guess reset my gains from gravity training. Like I said before, I was operating under a false assumption. Aspa was using Vegeta's gravity while training within the gravity chambers, it would not make sense IC to suddenly switch from using Vegeta's Gravity to Earth's Gravity. At x50, in character he'd feel less pressure due to him training at 400 times Earth's Gravity due to him training in Vegeta Gravity. I'll redo all of the training, I don't mind. Like I said it wouldn't make sense from IC due to the switch even if I were using the exact same mechanics OOC. Whoa....!!! You don't have to do that Aspa, it's fine, people make faulty assumptions all the time. Just pretend that you trained at x Earth Gravity, of if no that, then do a bit of retcon.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2015 18:28:31 GMT
Then, I guess reset my gains from gravity training. Like I said before, I was operating under a false assumption. Aspa was using Vegeta's gravity while training within the gravity chambers, it would not make sense IC to suddenly switch from using Vegeta's Gravity to Earth's Gravity. At x50, in character he'd feel less pressure due to him training at 400 times Earth's Gravity due to him training in Vegeta Gravity. I'll redo all of the training, I don't mind. Like I said it wouldn't make sense from IC due to the switch even if I were using the exact same mechanics OOC. Whoa....!!! You don't have to do that Aspa, it's fine, people make faulty assumptions all the time. Just pretend that you trained at x Earth Gravity, of if no that, then do a bit of retcon. Or I can just let the character think he's training at Vegeta gravity. It'd be a funny thing, get him slapped around make him less arrogant and other stuff. Aspa: *Goes to earth.* HA HA HA HA HA!!! FEEL MY POWER PUNY HUMANS!! I HAVE TRAINED AT 1500 TIMES YOUR GRAVITY!!! *Gets rek't by human heroes.*
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Post by President Bao on Jul 14, 2015 3:19:26 GMT
quick response - To give some clarification, when aspa responded to the pm about this clarifying what he meant my reply was;
So yeah, earth is just a very 'average' planet, so one standard measurement of gravity happens to align with earth's own gravity. (it's why saiyans, having been raised in x10 gravity, are such powerful warriors compared to most other races)
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