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Post by Zucceta on Feb 15, 2015 17:43:06 GMT
Hi all,
I have been asked for permission to enable Athren's transformation into the Super Saiyan state, via the potential mechanism of Naroka's death. However, I am of the thought that this is an important event in regards to the site, and I am not totally sure of the yes or no of it.
I am personally inclined to believe that there is reason enough, as Koramund is being villainous and Athren has prior emotional ties to Ukare.
However, my hesitance is that I do not believe that the battle is 'important' enough on the scale of things to initiate a legendary transformation in a plot-significant way, considering it is the first transformation of this magnitude.
I ask that nobody involved in the thread vote. (Athren, Koramund, Reikiko, Wyntre, Naroka, myself)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 17:46:43 GMT
THOUGH, Since we can't vote. I'd love to have the thread participants opinions on the matter. Just seeing where everyone is coming from.
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Post by Reikiko on Feb 15, 2015 18:00:42 GMT
*doesn't vote*
I'm a bit divided on the matter. While I understand that 'the first Super Saiyan' is a plot-significant transformation (as a player), it would be rather odd to deny Athren his SSJ form simply because the battle isn't 'important/legendary' enough. I mean, at that rate you would get people to unlock their transformations through training/private scenarios to meet the requirements.
The fact that (as far as told) Ukare is a close friend of Athren, I would say his death would be a strong enough emotional impact to trigger it (kind of like the 'push Goku over the edge after Krillin is killed by Frieza'). It's kind of difficult to set solid 'plot' requirements on a transformation. For example: If this thread isn't important enough for a Super Saiyan form, then wouldn't the same be said for Bio-android transformations (Because as far as I know, there's no written requirement on a plot importance for absorption and the like, same with Super Saiyan, aside from the flavoring text)?
So basically I would have voted for allowing him to go Super Saiyan, IF/When Ukare dies.
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Post by Vi-Poi on Feb 15, 2015 18:07:04 GMT
I'm still thinking about it. I want to say sure, since Athren meets the PL requirements and have a Roleplay explanation, but there is some good reasoning by Zucceta about it being a tough event for a Saiyan. I'm going to re-read the whole DE and talk some more about it.
All I can say for certain right now is that wherever the goalpost is put here, it should be the same for all future Super Saiyans, not getting harder or easier..
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Post by Zucceta on Feb 15, 2015 18:24:55 GMT
It might as well be noted that while the event in of itself does not strike me as being 'massive', the super saiyan transformation might be the thing that makes it special, rather than the other way around. It can work both ways.
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Post by Jettasin on Feb 15, 2015 18:42:28 GMT
He does seem to meet all necessary requirements upon the death, and I do see your point about how it's probably not "important" enough, however...neither was it when Vegeta ascended all alone, training in the rain. Therefore, I think not allowing this would almost be a punishment, you can't always control a player's site-wide importance like that. Restricting all transformations to be during "important" events would prove to be problematic. I voted yes.
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Post by Vi-Poi on Feb 15, 2015 22:34:10 GMT
Read it, and from what I undersand of Ukare and Athren's friendship, I now agree he should be our first Supa Saiya-jin!
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Post by Zucceta on Feb 16, 2015 1:18:16 GMT
I guess this thread has now become less specific as my character removed this situation.
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