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Post by Samba on Dec 29, 2016 19:49:03 GMT
First of, let me just say hello and have a good day to the staff and mods of WoD:s. With that said, let's do this. Okay, so my suggestion was that what if when you unlock a new Transformation, and you use it for the very first time it completely recharges your KP back to 3/3? Like, for example, let's say that Vipoi and Zucceta are in a match, and Zucceta has the necessary PL for SSJ3, but hasn't found the right trigger to activate it just yet or something, now let's say that at some point in the battle, she is left with 0 or 1 KP and has found the right trigger to achieve SSJ3, and thusly rise her KP from 0 to 3/3 when she goes SSJ3 for the very first time. Now, I know that this might actually lead to all sort of problems for when someone haphazardly does their trigger RIGHT when they hit 0 KP in a way to completely dominate the match (or still get curbstomped in the end). And that with species that don't really need a trigger of sorts like Saiyans do, this will also lead to the same conclusion. The thing is, though, that this would be an ONE TIME ONLY recharge of KP, as any other time that you use that same transformation after that thread it won't refill your KP again. So it's basically "Should I transform now or later?" situation, it would lead to people thinking on better ways to use their transformation as a character plot point and to perhaps give that transformation sequence an extra "Oh shit, they're really serious" feel (not that they don't have that already, mind you). Well, that's just my idea, you're free to agree or disagree with it as you like, just wanted to put that out there o/ Zucceta Vi-Poi Bing Gan Queen Habana Nicolas Mclendon Entirely Ed Etoru Mayze
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Post by Zucceta on Dec 29, 2016 20:17:58 GMT
The SSj3 example doesn't work particularly well, as its a forced transformation rather than a triggered one with a huge energy drain (canonically anyway), but I see the theory behind your idea. I think it could be unfair at points, but I'm not totally opposed to the idea, which is the closest thing I've felt to ambivalence for a suggestion in a while.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2016 21:15:34 GMT
Mmm. For a few Transformations, it wouldn't work well. In the case of non-triggered, though, it may well be "I was hiding a reserve of Ki! AHAHAHAHAHA!" I gotta say, I don't hate this idea. However....
Zucc actually showing ambivalence towards an idea? WHAT NEWS!
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Post by Entirely Ed on Dec 30, 2016 10:24:11 GMT
I'm not particularly for or against this there are positives and negatives; but there are ways that its super unfair and backwards depending on someone's chosen species.
For example; whats up regarding those with permanent transformations like the Androids? From what I can tell they need to do some sort of 'upgrade' thread; at which point they're out of luck with this feature because whos gonna come and attack them unless they made it an open thread for whatever reason?
A potential fix for that could be instead of each time they gain a new upgrade, its the first time they use Overdrive after getting that upgrade, so that could be nice.
However,
What if an Arcosian player doesn't use any transformations until they unlock Brute AND Monster, they've got 3 KP recharges sitting there, plus potential senzu bean thus making the total 4. Though, yes, Arcosians are meant to be threatening in the early game this just makes them way too threatening. As someone that plays an Arcosian, even I think thats way too much potential power.
There's also the whole deal with keeping track of whos doing what, cuz there's some sly lil fiends out there that might want to abuse this.
I feel as though this is a concept best suited to be balanced within an initial system. That, and so many battles already played out would potentially have gone way differently had this been a thing earlier anyways, so some people might feel cheated.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 12:55:41 GMT
I don't know about others, but I feel like this would be a one-off thing. Like, if you get a transformation and sit on it, and then unlock ANOTHER trans, you still have a KP recharge. Just one. It doesn't stack, and it would only work if you unveiled the higher tier. At that point, the lower one isn't enough of a draw to recharge your Ki.
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Post by Rafar on Dec 30, 2016 14:27:37 GMT
Or maybe it only works on the first transformation you unveil per thread.
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Post by Kizuki on Dec 30, 2016 14:46:35 GMT
It's all relative to the situation, imo depending on what you believe. When Goku first went SSJ against Freeza, did he regain all his energy or was the power surge so much that he completely overpowered him?
I think allowing transformation triggers to act like free Senzu's is a bit much. If we were to open that up my opinion on it is it should be for when the transformation is first triggered, as that is usually the most dramatic time. Other than that, I'm okay with non-KP replenishment when transforming mid-thread as it is now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 22:14:46 GMT
I think allowing transformation triggers to act like free Senzu's is a bit much. If we were to open that up my opinion on it is it should be for when the transformation is first triggered, as that is usually the most dramatic time. Other than that, I'm okay with non-KP replenishment when transforming mid-thread as it is now.
I'm not totally sure I get what you're supporting? I wouldn't be okay with transforming HEALING someone, just filling their KP that once when first triggered or what have you. Or just Senzus in the sense of filling KP again?
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Post by Kizuki on Dec 30, 2016 23:07:19 GMT
I think allowing transformation triggers to act like free Senzu's is a bit much. If we were to open that up my opinion on it is it should be for when the transformation is first triggered, as that is usually the most dramatic time. Other than that, I'm okay with non-KP replenishment when transforming mid-thread as it is now.
I'm not totally sure I get what you're supporting? I wouldn't be okay with transforming HEALING someone, just filling their KP that once when first triggered or what have you. Or just Senzus in the sense of filling KP again? When I mentioned it as a free Senzu, I mean a little bit of both. Obviously, looking at first time transformations in Dragon Ball Z, it's pretty clear that they seem to be nearly healed after it. Goku vs Freeza, Gohan vs Cell, both great examples of how dramatic a first time transformation can be in terms of "health" and energy.
My support is to leave the system as is.
BUT if a change was made, I would be in support of a triggering transformation re-filling the KP pool one time only. Like Rev said about SSJ3, it's not really a TRIGGER. It's more of a burden on the body than anything. It's hard for me to justify going from 0 KP all the way back to 3 after transforming into SSJ3 the first time.
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Post by Nicolas Mclendon on Jan 2, 2017 0:13:23 GMT
I'm kind of against it solely because if someone really wanted the 'dramatic second wind' they could just flavor a senzu use (which I'm pretty sure has been done before) I just foresee free KP recharges being something that could cause a lot of problems in the future
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