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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2014 2:57:54 GMT
Now here is a serious vote time for everyone here, this will be a future type thing, as I've been thinking about it. And the old site would have one of these running around at time. Yep that's right, for future precedent and such I want to know what you guys think, about after everyone gets used to roleplaying the player base goes up and such. That we bring in the eviliest beings around. That's right a full up evil LSSJ, and a Majin. There'd only be 1 of each, since these beings are so powerful. And you can be a lucky person to have them if you have a free slot at that time. Now here's the main questions for you guys. If you do wish this is in vote for it. If not hit no, and that's all. Once you hit yes, Next you'll click how it should be done .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2014 4:25:22 GMT
If we ever have a Legendary Super Saiyan, it should be a special role assigned to one saiyan at random. How this will be chosen could be some kind of draw by a neutral party.
The only Bio-Android we saw in canon was Cell, who started out crazy strong. The ones we have here aren't going to be much stronger than anyone else at first. The same goes for Majins.
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Post by Hyoza on Sept 23, 2014 10:44:28 GMT
Far as I'm aware, Majins are just a normal race living on Earth in this time period. There aren't many of them, but I'm pretty sure that was the intent of the guys who set up the plot here. Not sure if we were gonna introduce a new race or just use demon stats for them, though.
As for LSSJ, I'd rather not. Regardless of activity, in terms of actual mechanics we'd either make the character too weak to really represent the insane power of the LSSJ, or they'd end up accurately reflecting the canon, but being too powerful for balanced play. ALSO, based on what we've seen of the LSSJ in the non-canon movies (all of them, technically); the LSSJ is born with an insane PL. Broly was born almost as strong as Frieza. Before he even knew how to transform. I think it would be a bit weird if a character has been running round being at best slightly above average for most of their life and then suddenly they're this incredibly powerful monster-Saiyan.
Also Broly sucks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2014 11:49:19 GMT
Hyoza: Almost as strong as King Vegeta more like. Frieza's 530k was way beyond that. For mechanics it would actually be pretty simple (if the random selection route is taken) Give a specialised form with a multiplier higher than SSJ and its sub-forms, but lower than SSJ2. That would give a LSSJ a strong early game form, like Arcosians, but mean they'd have to work to be able to keep up with the SSJ2-tier fighters that emerge.
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Post by Hyoza on Sept 23, 2014 14:52:35 GMT
On the point of Broly's PL, gotta hand it to ya, I was way off. It's been so long since I watched the film I'd forgotten the actual figure stated for baby Broly.
But I stand by my points otherwise, and I don't feel we have really provided a satisfactory counter to those points yet. Not sure we can really do the idea justice, especially since its few appearances make it incomparable to later standard SSJ forms in terms of which would provide a greater multiplier.
Also: Why do we need this? LSSJ is supposed to arise only once every few millennia or something, what is wrong with just not having one in this time period? The last one died a while back, and a new one has yet to come forth.
And if all you 'foos are still hung up on bringing in green hairdos as well as yellow ones, remember this: Broly achieved SSJ in childhood, we are in a time where the SSJ form has become but a legend. I think if a character here is to be allowed to be LSSJ, it must be a new character so their background can be designed to fit their unique status. A pre-existing character suddenly becoming LSSJ doesn't make any damn sense.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2014 15:07:43 GMT
Actually a Legendary is born every 1,000 years, and as it was stated this is ahead of the previous as iw as told, to think 2,000 year ahead. As for the points you stated. They're not going to be all mighty and powerful. They'll be stronger than what we could be starting. But as it is, all powerful beings drop off at one point or another. Like Alien c starts with 1500-2000 pl, starts as the strongest. But will end as the weakest. It'll be something along those lines. Where you'd have to work to keep up. Now lets discuss a LSSJ Yes it was strong, and It took on the saiyans Vegeta Goku Trunks, and gohan. But in the end it was due to goku defeating him using a blow with whatever little power they all had left. As for the second time broly returned. He was being fought off by gohan alone. Showing that he had indeed gotten weaker. Sure he would of won, if it wasn't gor the family Kamehameha. But we have to remember this was just a ssj1 he was going against. Even stated in the show it was just SSJ1 gohan never went ssj2 in the movie. This leads me to believe, that LSSJ Is just a stronger form of SSJ, But SSJ2 surpass the power of a normal SSJ, thus it could be stronger than the LSSJ.
As for the forms like you said he did master it at a young age. But that won't be necessary. The forms if I remember for a LSSJ that was previously here was.
Awakened False SSJ SSJ LSSJ as the last form.
They had three forms before this one to go through. The Admins could easily set a multiplier for this, that'll put it even with the other classes. I was simply wondering if people like the idea of having a rare member running around basically. Someone that has their own special little transes that could play into the story of the site. Give people something to do, they'd be a great villian to have around, or anything along that nature.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2014 17:51:33 GMT
I was on again so I thought I might post here. As cool as LSSJ Saiyans are, well, I don't think we're ready for them at all. We're doing many things at the moment with this first update and restructuring the species aliens so that the information on them is accurate, more balanced, and easier to understand. By throwing in LSSJ, um, it's going to put a lot of pressure I feel on whoever is randomly selected or chosen to fill the role. Yet that may not be so bad because Boliko if I remember correctly was the last LSSJ on WODR. If their writing quality is up to snuff I don't see a problem in making this, however, it's hard to find someone who would fill this kind of role.
Putting together a LSSJ may be just as hard as doing a full site time skip, which took nearly six months to a year on WODR to complete. The reason being is that LSSJ is really a sub-category of the existing Saiyan. Its power is massively stronger then a regular Saiyan's Super Saiyan, but a well trained Super Saiyan is clearly able to take them out. I haven't really watched the second movie with Broly in it, but the fist movie I did find a little ridiculous that it took four Saiyans to take down Broly and to do that they all had to rely on Goku's attack who, as I recall, was almost curb stomped too in this fight. I honestly find his fight with Android 13 more fair then Broly and Androids; if we remember, Androids tend to have ridiculously hard bodies, nearly infinite energy, and an equally strong desire to kill their opponents if they are programmed to do so.
Broly, at first was only flesh and blood but he had strong tenacity to survive beat, Goku into the ground, and then call it a day thanks to trying to overshoot limitations he could not surpass. This and his strength are really the only thing separating him from being a normal Saiyan, yet I think to even implement this we would have to develop a psychosis trait for the Saiyan in question who would be a legendary Saiyan. This would be hard to do because it would be something that relied more on honor and integrity to follow through on then a mechanical change. The person in question receiving the ability to play this kind of character would likely only be able to have one kind of play style for their character reasonable, unrelenting hatred towards one or more characters if they were to take on LSSJ, thanks to the fact that LSSJ Broly shows himself only capable of doing this in all the movies. It would make for a flat character if they were unable to pull off this kind of writing and they might easily get bored with the fact that the only thing they might be able to play is a 100% evil villain.
Some people tend to like to switch between good and evil and that is a very tempting prospect when you consider Piccolo, Tienshinhan, Vegeta, and Krillen all changed this way due to forming deep connections. Broly was just pure rage which manifested when Goku made a mistake at birth and harmed Broly with his loud baby wails. I hate to say it, but LSSJ is not a go in my mind until we honestly get a more clear picture on what our current updates are going to be like.
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