Zucceta
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Post by Zucceta on Feb 7, 2015 17:15:55 GMT
Hi! I wanted to start a discussion and debate about the use of senzu beans, and their relation to a saiyan/hybrid/bioandroid ability to get the zenkai or near-death PL increase.
I am of the belief that, if a saiyan or other character with the zenkai racial trait is being beaten down in a death-enabled encounter, provided they have a senzu or are given one, they will be restored with additional power bestowed by a zenkai. This would take the place of one gained at the end of the thread. You would not be able to gain multiple in a single thread. It might also be a reduced benefit. (I cannot recall how the system currently works.)
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Post by Toma on Feb 7, 2015 18:26:17 GMT
I mean, that makes sense from a canonical standpoint. Cuz that's what Vegeta did to fight Freeza.
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Post by President Bao on Feb 8, 2015 4:27:39 GMT
While grading and stuff like Zenkai is still secret sauce, the trade off here is essentially - you get your power early, but you sacrifice part of your possible gains due to it not factoring the grade for that thread(and other possible increases you may have gotten).
As far as trade offs go I think that's a decent one(and the no multiple zenkais part), though the question rises over whether mid-thread pl changes (especially in a DE context) are fair. If for example you get graded for a training thread, but you are in another battle, your pl will still be considered at it's old value to prevent exploiting (Start thread, things look sour, stall in thread while training on the side, exceed opponents pl and resume previous battle now with an advantage you didn't have before)
So yeah, definitely worth discussing and considering how we want to do it, there are valid points both ways so it's all down to preference and what we want to allow.
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Zucceta
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Post by Zucceta on Feb 8, 2015 13:18:13 GMT
Power-level should be established on entering the death-enabled thread, and any mid-fight zenkai would be the only addition to PL your character would gain in that fight.
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Post by Koramund on Feb 8, 2015 14:24:52 GMT
Yah, the power levels with the death-enabled thread has made me lose access to almost 11K base worth of PL, because I was told something different. But, how does one earn a Zenkai exactly? We said its a bad injury, but its not exactly stated. In the series Vegeta abused the hell out of Zenkai in the Freiza saga, going much higher in the gravity chamber, fighting the ginyu force, letting krilliN SHOOT HIM (Which we banned that since its planned), and on top of all of that, surviving Goku during the Saiyan Saga. Goku even got a Zenkai that made his power level go from 90,000 against the Ginyus to 3,000,000 when he fought against Freiza in SSJ (Using our system, Goku's PL Was about 230,769), which is almost a 3 times boost. When for us it is not nearly as close because, Game breaking! But still my point, Vegeta and Goku can get zenkais for doing the things we do IC everyday, and their Zenkais on average more then double their power level!
Vegeta at the start of the series was 10K. After fighting Goku, 24K. Fighting against Zarbon made him 30K. Finally, after getting beaten up by Recoome, it shot up to 250K base! That is a x10 boost in IC, 3 days! I think we should either have A - MUCH better Zenkais B - Much Easier Zenkais
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