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Post by Zucceta on Jan 12, 2015 23:53:25 GMT
Expanding upon one of Zasho's suggestions, I have thought about the idea of a Tree of Might. One of the more interesting concepts the DBZ movies created, the Tree of Might grows and produces fruit by draining a planet of it's life-force until it is an irreparable husk. However, the fruit it creates, when consumed, grants a vast boost in power in a single bite. And, to top it off, this tree produces multiple fruit.
A Seed of the Tree of Might might be able to be purchased from the shop, or a villainous faction/side-group of faction might be able to 'apply' for it, in exchange for a large amount of zenni.
When planted, the Tree will grow for 15 days. Every 2 days (the last day being the 14th, for a total of 7) the Tree will produce a Fruit of Might. This fruit could grant a boost in line with 5k-10k PL, possibly giving bigger and bigger boosts towards the end of its duration. On the 15th day the planet is dead, along with the tree, which could potentially produce a single Seed to restart the process on another planet (or not).
The capping point for PL gain for Fruit could be between 100-150k. Turles stated that if he continued consuming the fruit he would be able to face Frieza, and we assume this would be with the help of Oozaru or in his base rather than Super Saiyan - so 100k-150k fits that dialogue.
At any time during the 15 day period, the Tree can be destroyed. However, there are two stipulations to this: 1) The faction who planted the Tree may not be the ones to destroy it, and 2) Those who wish to destroy it must first defeat any members of the faction who planted it who are still around/active on that planet.
Now, my thoughts on the above: The PL boosts are higher than the 'goodie' boosts because a) it is intended for groups of members rather than singular, and b) it would be the only one as opposed to the 2/3 goodies have access to. (Holy Water/Unlock Potential/Kaio Training(?))
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Post by Zasho Hirugetsu on Jan 13, 2015 0:05:55 GMT
I like the concept, a lot, and I think the only thing that would need to be ironed out are the means of obtaining the seed and the power level awarded per fruit.
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Post by Wyntre Cold on Jan 13, 2015 0:24:47 GMT
Well, when this comes into play, Wyntre and her forces will be using this. Question, though, could we sell the actual Fruit, and, say, use that money to buy and plant another one, sell the fruit for more than that, and repeat, making zeni profit?
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Post by Zucceta on Jan 13, 2015 0:33:49 GMT
It might be done so that there is only one given Seed, and if two or more groups want it there may have to be some sort of appeal to see who gets it.
Once you have the fruit, you can do with it as you like.
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Post by Pipa on Jan 14, 2015 16:46:05 GMT
Ensenji Fruit is another item to consider, which could probably grant the same bonus holy water. Babidi's mind control (the Majin boost) which we are currently discussing here could also produce results similar to hidden potential. However I think the tree of might could be fun. With the type of gains you are talking though and the fact that it could destroy a planet, I'd think it would need to be pretty expensive and definitely warrant death enabled threads to protect the tree. I would be weary of the 15 day time limit, the faction owning the tree could easily meta game and slow post in order to ensure the time limit is passed. So probably freezing the timer when each thread is active would be wise.
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Post by Ora on Jan 14, 2015 19:05:15 GMT
Never considered slow posting. That's some srs metagame right there, I tell ya hwat.
But, ToM/Esenji* should work quite well.
*Esenji would require Hell, would it not?
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Post by Zucceta on Jan 15, 2015 22:10:40 GMT
Essenji would be good. Possibly a greater boost than UP/Holy Water, as it requires prerequisite death, except for in the case of demons.
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Post by Wyntre Cold on Jan 17, 2015 2:20:08 GMT
The capping point for PL gain for Fruit could be between 100-150k. Turles stated that if he continued consuming the fruit he would be able to face Frieza, and we assume this would be with the help of Oozaru or in his base rather than Super Saiyan - so 100k-150k fits that dialogue. It's good to know that Turles had roughly 500,000 to 600,000 when he had just one Fruit, which can take on Suppressed Form Frieza without Oozaru, since Frieza is 530k.
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Post by President Bao on Jan 17, 2015 10:57:54 GMT
I think items like this sound neat (as I've noted before).
I agree that the main stipulations of this would be: - plant it - death enabled conflict - fruit as reward - planet dies if not stopped
It may also be worth making it a choice - you can chose when to eat the fruit, but the longer you leave it the better the boost. if eaten early the fruit will not regrow, but you have secured your boost. It might also be a stipulation that you can't plant it on inactive planets, or perhaps the boost will only be tiny. Perhaps death of player characters will mean the fruit is stronger - gameplay wise this means as a villian you'd want to planet it and either wait for the heroes to come to you, or hunt them down, and also involves a revenge aspect if they will your associates. also, maybe the tree just always produces an amount equal to the current members of your party(and you have to be the same faction).
^Just more ideas to possibly consider while at the table.
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Post by Pipa on Jan 18, 2015 6:34:48 GMT
The only thing I wouldn't 100% agree on with you Bao is having it only able to occur on an active planet. Once space opens up the metagame for where players are at is going to very drastically help this game I believe. At the moment it is insane to start a DE thread, more or less (and the reason sagas don't kick off). I'd rather encourage people to get off this rock and spread out honestly.
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Post by Wyntre Cold on Jan 21, 2015 9:21:40 GMT
I don't think it'd have to be on one of the Main Four Planets. While a 70k bonus is quite massive, even when shared, it is no where near worth the power of an entire planet. If you put it on Earth, for example, you could potentially have half of all of the Sites Entire Character Roster fighting a small faction or even a Single Fighter. I think there should be a range of minor planets, 4-6 of them, that are relatively important but won't hold such a sway in the event of their destruction, perhaps this might even be similar to the Conquerable Planets system from WoD:Resurrection. Only two successful Trees of Might will turn half of all of the available place to roleplay into a barren dessert, filled with an CO2 Atmosphere. It could be put on a minor planet. This way, people would easily find out with some simply microscopes what that is and come to cause the DE.
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Post by Zucceta on Jan 21, 2015 13:11:05 GMT
The Tree of Might is meant to be used by characters who do not care for the welfare or value of a planet when weighed against a boost. Using the tree should have consequence.
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Post by President Bao on Jan 25, 2015 7:19:23 GMT
^What Zuc says
And the concern I have is no body will go to a minor planet - there is literally no IC justification for them to go there, especially if they're doing other stuff like interacting on Earth - there wouldn't even really be a reason they would know it was happening.
A tree of might is not a trivial thing, my personal thought is actually that it's current suggestions are too small. It's a tree that destroys worlds, that's a huge deal, and I think your reward should be proportional to how hard you fought for it.
Plant it on dogdoo 7, a planet no one has heard about and has no reason to go to, and unopposed your tree reaches fruition, and you get like a 2-5k boost. Plant it on Earth, where literally everyone is, and let it reach fruition - more like 50k, because you will have had to fight back every man and their dog, if you pull it off you will have earned that boost.
Alternatively, perhaps the most elegant way of handling it, would be to make it act as a grade enhancer. Double saga bonus or something. That means if you have an awesome battle with lots of people, your reward will naturally be higher.
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