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Post by Kaula on Aug 17, 2016 2:07:55 GMT
It's called photoshop. Something I bet you are familiar with. YOu editted it. Can you guys just BAN this lying asshole already for causing all this drama? I am literally disgusted right now.
This whole time I thought "Oh. Toma just sent her the: 'I don't really feel comfortable RPing with you if you are going to RP with her.'" bit. I did say that. I didn't blackmail anyone. But now I find it's this bloated piece of feces.
I was legit going to apologize to you for kicking you out of my friendcircle (which I am guessing this is about?). Yeah, I was hasty and paranoid. But jfc. You took this shit WAY too far, Noxa.
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Post by EGG on Aug 17, 2016 2:34:33 GMT
The thing is, in my opinion... WHY ARE YOU USING SKYPE AS A REFERENCE!? It is so easy to fake everything! Hell, I even showed you evidence that there is a big chance that someone could have made those messages using an entirely fake account. Skype should not be a valid source of evidence in my god's honest opinion!
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Post by Kizuki on Aug 17, 2016 2:40:38 GMT
The thing is, in my opinion... WHY ARE YOU USING SKYPE AS A REFERENCE!? It is so easy to fake everything! Hell, I even showed you evidence that there is a big chance that someone could have made those messages using an entirely fake account. Skype should not be a valid source of evidence in my god's honest opinion! Then that opens the floodgates to down right abusing the system. This discussion is over, and I am locking it. Zucceta can open it up if he so pleases, nothing here is adding anything to the situation with the exception of creating dissension within the site that is continuing to spill over into Skype. Enough.
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Post by Zucceta on Aug 17, 2016 8:52:16 GMT
Okay, I've unlocked the thread. I'm awake, I've drank my coffee and I've done my best to review the situation.
Let me state, right now, that Kaula's de-mod was based off of evidence I saw of an ultimatum she gave to Toma, in addition to her own admittance to that in the staff chat. That is the extent of it, and, just to clarify, this doesn't necessarily need to be a permanent measure for Kaula (although, given the amount of rage generated and the amount of stress this seems to cause for both Kaula and others, it could be--or, at least, for a long while).
There is some potential iffy stuff going on in the background against Kaula. I don't know. It needs to be looked in to further. If any of this stuff is found to be falsified, the people who did it will be punished.
The thing that Noxa posted in the cbox that Kaula took offense to is frankly disgusting and if I see something like that again, in any context and from any member, I will also be handing out punishments.
However, the core issue, the one I know is factually true, is what I acted on in removing Kaula from her moderator status, and that alone.
There is an argument, that I'm usually in agreement with, that what is said out of the site stays off of site. What Kaula was suggesting to Toma, however, was a skype ultimatum that would have ostracised a member on-site, and regardless of any opinions of any members involved this is clearly a different context to just, for the lack of a better term, bitching about other people in a private chat.
I regret having to do it, as I have a high respect for Kaula and, generally, agree with her opinions--but not her actions. She has done a lot to help the site over the past year, and I hope that the elements that lead to problems like this will be resolved and Kaula can eventually be reinstated in the eventual future, but not while anger and bad decision-making leads to problems like this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 12:23:57 GMT
The situation's scaling is nothing short of nuts. Between attempts to use page elements to mimic on the Cbox a vile joke that was posted on Discord, to proving some bizarre point about you being able to have the same skype picture as someone else — despite username and history being unaffected.
On that weird attempt at page elements though : why would she have that saved since Aug 8? Why would I say something like that on the cbox? Why would she, as a moderator, not have put that through the proper channels? I don't know; I don't care.
I've mentioned on this thread everything I've submitted as evidence is 100% genuine, and I'm more than willing to prove it through any means necessary — be it screen sharing or giving my email information to staff.
Aside from slander, which seems to be fueled by range-induced rampage, I have nothing against Kaula... And even then it's not that much of an issue for me to explain to someone what happened and dust my hands on this — so even then 'slander' might be a strong word.
I've said this before to several people and I'll say this again: I have nothing against anyone who is her friend and acts in accordance to said friendship, whatever that entails to them.
My desire is for this petty, childish situation to be put to rest and for these 'HighSchool games' to be put to end, because I don't do cliques.
To reiterate: I don't have some agenda against anyone; I don't have anything against anyone. This is an RPing sites, and I'm just here to RP and grow as a writer.
P.S. Any mod can feel free to edit what I said for the purpose of toning down any elements of my language they think is 'too high spirits'. I don't think I said anything out of the loop, but the permission is there none the less.
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Post by Kaula on Aug 17, 2016 16:01:19 GMT
It is not 100% genuine. For some reason, Noxa has something against me ever since I got mad at her friend and hastily removed her from my skype group with him (People have been making note that she had been acting weird since the instance I pointed out). I was going to actually apologize to her about that when this shit started happening.
The big thing about this is Toma aka Hunter started swearing up and down 100% that Noxa had used and lied to him, saying that she told him she wouldn't send what he sent to the staff (as well as the fact that he doesn't want me demodded at all).
Me and Toma have already (partially) made up, by the way.
On top of that, it's "my" conversation with Toma. I think he should be the one reporting me, not someone who's all mad that I kicked them out of my skype group. I think this should be thrown out unless Toma wishes to report me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 16:10:54 GMT
It is not 100% genuine. For some reason, Noxa has something against me ever since I got mad at her friend and hastily removed her from my skype group with him (People have been making note that she had been acting weird since the instance I pointed out). I was going to actually apologize to her about that when this shit started happening. The big thing about this is Toma aka Hunter started swearing up and down 100% that Noxa had used and lied to him, saying that she told him she wouldn't send what he sent to the staff (as well as the fact that he doesn't want me demodded at all). Me and Toma have already (partially) made up, by the way. On top of that, it's "my" conversation with Toma. I think he should be the one reporting me, not someone who's all mad that I kicked them out of my skype group. I think this should be thrown out unless Toma wishes to report me. •I've said this before, I have nothing against you. As much as I think the reason for kicking me was dumb I honestly don't care — I've known you for only like a month. •I've sent full logs. In said logs my words have been recorded. I'm willing to send more if necessary about my conversation if need be. Nothing from my side is being hidden of concealed. •It's great you two have made up. It is. As I said before, I have nothing against anyone who calls themselves your friend or vise versa. I am still very much his friend and I still very much have plans to grow both Hunter and Noxa. •Rev has already commented on this.
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Post by Kaula on Aug 17, 2016 16:13:50 GMT
Still.
This was a private conversation. On skype. Off site. Regardless, me and Toma would have likely made up in a day if you hadn't maliciously tricked and abused your friendship with him.
This is an issue between me and Toma (Something he never wanted me demodded over in the first place. But you know, Noxa had to use him and lie to break his trust) - that is already resolved lol. It doesn't matter for Noxa, Zucceta.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2016 16:28:44 GMT
I think forcing people to deal with ultimatums would have affected me greatly. Especially when it's done by a moderator who is clearly driven by emotion and not impartial reason.
And yes. People — plural. I have submitted images proving it wasn't just Toma.
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Post by Zucceta on Aug 17, 2016 16:32:33 GMT
Alrighty, this has degenerated into a meaningless puddle. I'm locking the thread, but know that I'm looking into the source of this second account to the best of my ability, and whoever's behind it will be duly punished.
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Post by Kaula on Aug 17, 2016 16:32:47 GMT
Are those faked, too?
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