karanon
Newcomer
PL: 9,238
Brute(x5): 46,190
Monster(x9)83,142
True(x15)138,570
Items:One-Use SpacePod Zeni:500
Tag: @karanon
Posts: 30 
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Post by karanon on Aug 26, 2014 1:45:43 GMT
I think you should only be able to transfer the PL from a character that is no longer being used, and will not be used. So either one, retired or dead. Just as long as the character is no longer being used to RP any longer. I feel that as a stipulation, that character should not be able to be brought back, even with the dragon balls. So it should to be a permanent removal, in order for the player to transfer PL this way.
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Post by President Bao on Aug 26, 2014 11:29:34 GMT
Maybe it would be good to disconsider the starting pl when doing the transfer. Meaning if an arcosian that started at 2.000 and is now 20.000 decide to make a human, he will transfer up to 18.000 to the other character, rather than his full base pl. That may help prevent certain abuses regarding the different starting power levels for different races. The races starting pl is not considered when transferred  In the original post I mentioned only earned grades are transferred, to prevent any 'free' pl from being siphoned off as you noted, or indeed people playing 'musical chairs' with several characters(to keep it reasonable). This also future-proofs it for stuff like pl unlocks or absorptions or other possible ways of gaining extra pl non-conventionally. Everything transferred has to have been properly earned by the player. I can see this being very heavily abused. I think, maybe put a cap at half of the other character's PL, but NO cap on zenni. So say the inactive character had a PL of 10,000, than the owner could choose to transfer 5,000 to another character, or create a new character on the same account. However they would be able to transfer ALL of the zenni from one to the other. I feel that this should also have a cap of 20,000 PL. I feel that capping it at half of the other character's PL regardless of level, would prevent abuse, and also help balance it so that characters don't become instantly OP. So if that could be an alternative option, yes, but only half discarded character's PL and capped at 20,000 PL Than that would be where my vote would go. I personally disagree on this concept. I see no reason to 'punish' people with this demerit, it seems like punishment for the sake of punishment rather than serving a constructive purpose, done more to spite people who have changed their mind on a character than anything else. A person who uses this mechanic has put genuine work into building up their character, but has simply found that they do not capture their muse as they thought, or they have realised they do not find the character as compelling as they thought when they created them. Alternatively, it's for a long time player, who has made and developed a very powerful character, but has finally come to decide their story is over, a token gesture of good faith for their efforts. Out of curiosity, what do you consider 'heavily abused'? I can't really think of a situation I'd label under that myself, but maybe I haven't thought of the same scenario you have. (someone could transfer to a stronger race like an arcosian... but they still had to earn that pl in the first place, it would be no different to if they wrote a massive beginners post, or if they had begun as that other character to start with, and the cap is in place to prevent it becoming anything unreasonable). I think you should only be able to transfer the PL from a character that is no longer being used, and will not be used. So either one, retired or dead. Just as long as the character is no longer being used to RP any longer. I feel that as a stipulation, that character should not be able to be brought back, even with the dragon balls. So it should to be a permanent removal, in order for the player to transfer PL this way. Yes, the concept currently in place involves the permanent removal of the 'sacrificed' character. You can't go siphing off their pl then keeping them, that would certainly not be fair XD ((but yeah, current system did allow for people to transfer to characters that existed in tandem, so if you had a second character then changed your mind, you could merge so long as it wasn't deemed by admin to be exploitative - eg. you couldn't do it to win a fight, however that part could go either way depending on what the community sentiment is, and would probably be something put to a poll on a case by case basis anyway)). |
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karanon
Newcomer
PL: 9,238
Brute(x5): 46,190
Monster(x9)83,142
True(x15)138,570
Items:One-Use SpacePod Zeni:500
Tag: @karanon
Posts: 30
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Post by karanon on Aug 26, 2014 13:57:06 GMT
I see you're point. ^_^
By heavily abused, I meant if abused I could see a person using this solely for the purpose of creating an over powered character. Rather than as you say, because they're character had simply ran their course sort of speak. Like making new characters solely for the purpose of removing that character's starting power level to boost their main character's PL. Than again, I forgot that you HAVE to make a beginner's post anyways to earn that power level. Sooo... I recant that statement, about being abused. I'm sure the staff are well prepared to handle situations like that, and I trust their judgement.
However, I still feel that 20,000 PL is a REALLY big number. Than again, if you've earned it, than who am I to say you can't have it. I'd certainly like to keep it if I ended up in the situation where I felt like my character had run its course.
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Zucceta
Administrator
PL: 379,083
Oozaru(x10) MSSj(x15) S.Ooz(x22) SSj2(25x)
Zeni: 2290
Tag: @admin
OOC Name: therevolution
Posts: 2,309
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Post by Zucceta on Aug 26, 2014 15:02:17 GMT
In the long run (having been on/ran several similar sites to this in the past), 20,000 power level is actually pretty small. Towards the end of a site's life-span (should that in fact exist) people are beginning to hit between 300,000-500,000 PL. 20,000 PL can actually be reached pretty fast, depending on activity level and writing ability.
However, a suggestion for PL transfer - it should remain that, despite starting off with a potentially big power, you start off with only 3 technique slots regardless.
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Tao Lung
Rising Soul
PL: 1,671; Intense Struggle (x3): 5,013; Items: 1 use space pod, Heavy Weights (2521.5| 7564.5); Zeni: 2797
Tag: @sacidepatinete
Posts: 172
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Post by Tao Lung on Aug 26, 2014 15:54:47 GMT
Ah... Missed that part on your post, Bao. Sorry for that.
And I do agree with Mr. President that such limitation on discarded characters lacks in any constructive purpose. Concerning Zucceta's point, I think that cripples the character beyond fairness. Like Bao said, there are simple cases where the character ceases to be fun anymore and the player wants to try his/her hands on something new, which will probably happen after the character in question is developed at least a little bit. Consider one reaches 100.000 base pl (a human to make it easier to count). By then, he/she will have 28 technique slots. He/she will lose 25 technique points. Even though he kept his pl (which he/she worked hard for) he can't really measure up to the others at his level and below with such a small arsenal; Such a penalty is very demotivational (to an already demotivated person) as even at the same base pl, you'll be weaker than others just because they weren't unlucky enough to lose interest in their current character. It would be better to simply start over, if so...
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Tao Lung
Rising Soul
PL: 1,671; Intense Struggle (x3): 5,013; Items: 1 use space pod, Heavy Weights (2521.5| 7564.5); Zeni: 2797
Tag: @sacidepatinete
Posts: 172
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Post by Tao Lung on Aug 27, 2014 19:02:55 GMT
One thing that perhaps could be done while still on the topic of pl transfer is "grade sharing". For example if a member has more than one character (let's say char A and char B) and roleplays in a thread with char A. By the end of it, when the thread is supposed to get graded, the player may choose to have part of the pl increase directed to char B (as long as char B wasn't in the thread to begin with). So, if char A was to get 900 pl from the thread, the player could opt to transfer 1/3 of the gains to char B, so by the end of the thread, Char A gets +600 pl and Char B gets +300.
That way people can manage their char better and even keep up somehow during moments of writer's block, greatly reducing the chance and need to eventually discard the character for a new one.
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In the original post I mentioned only earned grades are transferred, to prevent any 'free' pl from being siphoned off as you noted, or indeed people playing 'musical chairs' with several characters(to keep it reasonable). This also future-proofs it for stuff like pl unlocks or absorptions or other possible ways of gaining extra pl non-conventionally. 
