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Post by Pieter Wolfbane on Feb 16, 2015 3:06:14 GMT
Something that needs updating, then, in the page. That doesn't seem like it should be the thing with them...
Also, you should've gotten that PL from it.
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Koramund
Archived
PL: 121,168
Bio Metabolize(x3)
Zeni: 2,003
Shoki: 7,708
Tag: @koramund
OOC Name: Saiyan, Namekian, Human
Posts: 694
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Post by Koramund on Feb 16, 2015 3:11:22 GMT
I want Bao's opinion on the absorption there, President BaoIf so, I should have gained 8427.87 PL, or 8428 PL. For my transformation that would have added 67,424 PL, and I would have had a much better battle against EVERYTHING XD. Though Orache was/is highly mad if I gained said boost. But Bao has said otherwise.
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Naroka
Rising Soul
Official Warrior Caste Master; PL: 55,459; Guardian Namek(x7): 388,213; Items:One-Use SpacePod, Heavy Weights 13864.25 | 97053.25, Level 1 Ship with Level 1 Gravity chamber; Zeni: 386
Tag: @manwithantenna
Posts: 220
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Post by Naroka on Feb 16, 2015 3:32:21 GMT
I wont be mad. Got over it.
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Pipa
Archived
PL: 19,119; Great Namek(Demonic Will) (x3); Makyo Star(x8); Items: One-Use Space Pod, Onyx Scimitar, 1 5,000PL Guard, Upgraded Ship (6 occupant ship), x80 Gravity Chamber, Heavy Weights; Zeni: 0
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Post by Pipa on Feb 16, 2015 22:18:14 GMT
I think it is a bad move to deny people transfers if they die.
What happens when you die directly effects the number of people willing to do DE threads. Basically by locking dead characters from transfers it means that you lose all rights if you die. Harsh death consequences aren't going to help the game.
Also if his soul and essence is within Koramund, then when Koramund uses the x8 it should go to the afterlife as normal. Either way we need an afterlife one way or the other.
I honestly think it is sort of unfair to single the player out when their were no (and still aren't) set in stone rules about transfers. Regardless of his reasons or how you feel about them he didn't want to play that character anymore, he at least gave him an ending instead of just derping him out of existence.
I think that judgement is being clouded over maybe just an honest to goodness annoyance at him for alting a lot, but I really don't see the need to be the fun police anyways.
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Post by President Bao on Feb 17, 2015 3:39:55 GMT
Will reply either tonight or tomorrow, but as a quick response: Pieter is mistaken about bio-androids, and this transfer is fine.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 4:01:09 GMT
^ TRANSFER IS FINE.
Uppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppdated.
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Post by President Bao on Feb 17, 2015 12:07:44 GMT
Full answer: 33% base is for the semi-perfect and perfect transformations only(and always has been, even back on Ressurection when you were there Pieter). It's why, as an ex-bio-android myself, I proposed Bio-metabolise for here. For this Orion absorption, it only strengthened poor Kora by a measly +500% (That is why the argument that 'if he got Orions pl then it would be a no good but he didn't do that so it's fine' really doesn't hold water for me. When people are absorbed their power level is never taken away from the original character, it's always involved the character dying and the absorber receiving a pl benefit as reward, the difference here is superficial.) ---- Which is actually why this was being discussed first before being allowed: This case exposed an exploit of the system, and while I'm all for allowing people to transfer I can't particularly condone the sort of behaviours this specific concoction promotes myself (partially because I'm the one who designed the bio-androids early game trans and believe the end result of this particular combination of situations is unfair to others).Normally a bio-android would have to actually earn their power level by defeating a legitimate opponent in a saga thread. Additionally, the victim would have a clear interest in opposing the bio-androids success, making for a good fair fight and upon successful absorption the victim would also have to earn their way back out of the other world, as an effort-cost helping to offset the bio-androids reward.In the case of a transfer, equity has been lost (neither side really earns the ending payout) The bio-android gets a huge power up without the pre-requisite effort/risk (we can see easily the effect this power spike has had for Kora) The victim actively wants to die (and will even suicide, as Orion did) The victim escapes any effort-costs by transferring to a new not-dead character(all of Orions PL going freely to Orache)I don't particularly mind which verdict the community went for (thus why we had the discussion threads, and why Orache also put this forward to the community for final say ), but it is important to be aware of the situation at play and why it was up for discussion(if you weren't already). --- @pipa: As already mentioned many times before, plan is afterlife will be added as soon as someone actually goes there. ((Also, I must strongly disagree with you on a point you raised - it is very important to discuss and come to verdicts on matters/issues as their emerge, which by it's very natural will involve case studies of any character relevant to that. Say for example if I found an exploit that would result in Bao having 400,000pl more than the next closest person due to some oversight/ambiguity in the rules, don't you agree that a community discussion/verdict is pertinent? We can't always predict everything))
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Pipa
Archived
PL: 19,119; Great Namek(Demonic Will) (x3); Makyo Star(x8); Items: One-Use Space Pod, Onyx Scimitar, 1 5,000PL Guard, Upgraded Ship (6 occupant ship), x80 Gravity Chamber, Heavy Weights; Zeni: 0
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Post by Pipa on Feb 17, 2015 15:46:07 GMT
The difference is that we could deny Bao the exploit without permanently screwing him, but this isn't a good example because that exploit is obvious.
The exploit in question assumes that he intended to be absorbed by Koramund. By his own admission he tried to metagame and blow himself up so that Koramund could not absorb him, to which it was ruled (without a community vote I might add) that Koramund could absorb him anyways. If anything he should have gotten a warning in the appropriate manner for metgaming, and the thread voided, but instead it was chosen to keep him hanging for what like 2 months?
Why is it that "you can absorb someone as normal even if you can find their arm" something that can be clarified without discussion and without delay, but something like another player having access to a transfer or not something that takes that long.
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Post by President Bao on Feb 18, 2015 3:46:59 GMT
I had no knowledge of any of the situation surrounding this until Orache contacted me recently about getting a transfer, the only information I've managed to fish up about it was 'We had a death battle between Kora and Orion, I tried to commit suicide but Kora managed to absorb me anyway', and you just now with these particular insights.
I've asked many many times for people to report things to me (or make threads) if there's ever any concerns... (and staff to keep tabs on their sections or anything they see/hear and pass on any relevant info)
As for waiting - I get a lot of tasks falling to me(unfortunately) and not a whole lot of time. I need to analyse the priority and severity of each task I get and address accordingly; (in this case The verdict was as follows: Severity - a minor inconvenience to one user - happy to play out their character as is regardless of the verdict - thread already made and managed by other staff member(Pipa) - can speak for them self to community to chase it up.
Priority - low, other more important matters that effect multiple players and are not already being addressed by others are higher in the queue and available time is distributed accordingly.)
--- Remember now, I'm just one man... You've demonstrated that you saw an issue, are evidently upset by it... but didn't say or do anything to rectify the situation. I apologise for having missed this, but I can't help if nobody communicates with me or takes the initiative.
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