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Post by Sansho on Aug 15, 2017 13:07:40 GMT
Okay, so I know that this has been suggested a few times before, but hear me out! Below I have composed a suggestion for a sub-forum for the Demon Realm, including how it can be implemented, mechanics, sub-forums, and how players can affect it. Anyways, I hope you enjoy the read!
Demon Realm Lore
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The following lore has been written loosely based on lore taken from Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Heroes, and notes from Daizenshuu 7 and the Dragon Ball: Super Exciting Guide.
Untold millions of years ago, a group of evil Shinjin were banished from the World of the Kais, sealed away in a great space at the corner of the universe, separated from the rest of reality. In time, these Shinjin used their magics of creation to create an entirely new realm; the Demon Realm, sometimes known as the Devil Realm or Dark Demon Realm. The strongest of the group, Demigra became the Realm's first and founding Makaioshin.
Millennia years later as the realm began to grow and flourish with new dark, evil life, Demigra attempted to take revenge on the Kais by rewriting history in his favour. He was brought to blows with Chronoa, the Supreme Kai of Time, and was sealed away in a pocket dimension of time by her after a lengthy battle.
With their leader gone, the Demon Realm fell into disarray and chaos. Infighting and civil wars broke out between who would be the next ruler. With no decision ever coming to fruition, the remaining leaders and their underlings went their separate ways. They founded and cultivated their own settlements that expanded and grew over the course of untold history.
Out of all of the settlements, three of them grew into powerful demonic "nations"—the Dread Wastes, Black Canyon, and Devil's Bowl. These lands would become known as the "Sandaichiiki", otherwise known as "the Three Great Territories". However, other smaller lands were also settled around this vast realm. While all leaders of their respective territories were called Demon Kings, the rulers of the greater territories were given the greater title of "Makaio", while the kings of the lesser territories were given the lesser title of "Daimao".
Over the countless millennia, many rulers came and went, including the likes of Dabura and Mechikabura. Territories often waged countless wars against one-another for territorial rights. In time, these demons would forget about the age-old quest of revenge against the Kais.
Sub-forums
These are a few ideas of what sub-forums could exist in the Demon Realm. These can be formatted either by sub-category (Similar to how Earth is split into North, South, East and West lands) or via sub-boards (similar to how Vegeta has its Capital, Central Wastelands, and Ancient Tuffle Ruins.)
- Black Canyon: One of the three Great Territories, the entire area is a gigantic canyon, surrounded by towering mountains. Those who dwell here have create a vast underground network-like city, kept illuminated via torches of magical flames of orange and blue. Very rarely do the demon races of this place leave their subterranean homes, usually only when they are called to war. The former Demon God Demigra once ruled this territory before he was imprisoned.
- Akumaki Castle: The home of the land's ruler, Akumaki Castle, also known as "The Demon Tree", is a large structure build upon the top of a large tree of purple leaves. Hundreds of large crystals hover and float around the castle, serving as the eyes of the Makaio to survey their territory.
- The Black Coliseum: Located deep within the subterranean city lies a huge arena where demons from all over the realm prove their worth in combat, fighting for fame, glory, bounty, and power.
[/ul] - The Dead Wastes: One of the three Great Territories, it is a vast, rocky landscape with very little to sustain mortal life. A huge, endless lake of purple waters circles the entirety of the territory, making it difficult to access by most weaker demons. The former Demon King Dabura once ruled this territory thousands of years ago.
- Manjuakai Spire: The ruling structure of the Dead Wastes, the "One-Thousand Red Hands" Spire was said to have been built through the effort of a thousand demons. It is a tall, orange-red tower a thousand feet tall. It serves as the stronghold of the land's Makaio.
[/ul] - Devil's Bowl: One of the Three Great Territories, the entirety of it sits within a huge crater located at the demon realm's center. A large, intertwining tree-like structure with a bright, glowing red core at its top sits at the center of this land, its purpose unknown. This territory was once ruled by the Demon God Mechikabura before his untimely death.
- Soumasei Palace: The home of the land's ruler, the "Twin Demon Star" Palace is made of two large, bowl-shaped platforms that looms above the land on top of a thin, tree-like spire. One of these platforms serves as the main palace structure, while the second serves as a research center, where experiments of both science and magic are conducted.
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The Dark Crystals
Dark Crystals are magical relics forged by evil wizards of the Demon Realm. These crystals are used to cast powerful magics, including dimensional warping through time and space. Demon Kings and Demon Gods are the most common of beings who carry a Dark Crystal, often adorned on their staves and other weapons. Dark Crystals are the only way for people to travel from the living realm to the Demon Realm, and can only ever be used for this purpose. Ideas for acquiring one are: - Buy with zenni. Similar to Space Pods/Ships, the Crystal serves as a transportation item, and must be purchased from the shop (Around 10-15k Zenni);
- Found throughout the world. On any planet, a character may create one thread per week to search for a Demon Crystal. Upon grading, a staff member will see if that character has found one or not (All races have a 10% chance, while Demon Hybrids, Mazoku and Majin get 15%, and full Demons gain 20%);
Opening the Demon Realm.
The Demon Realm cannot first be entered until a "link" has been established on a planet. Similar to how Shula created a gateway to earth in the original Dragon Ball manga, a character must create a gateway from a planet to the demon realm. In order for a character to create a gateway, they must meet certain requirements: - They must have a Base PL of at least 200,000;
- They must have a Dark Crystal;
- They must create a Death Enabled thread on a planet they wish to link the Demon Realm to.
When a DE is created, the Dark Crystal then acts mechanically like a Sealed Ball. As a magical item, it cannot be destroyed. The crystal has a PL of 0, which increases by certain amounts depending on circumstance: - While the thread has no other posts, the crystal gains PL equal to 10% of the character who started the thread's Base PL every 24 hours;
- Whenever a character uses an [N1] technique, 10% of that character's Base PL gets added to the Crystal;
- Whenever a character uses an [UP2] or [V2] technique, 20% of that character's Base PL gets added to the Crystal;
- Whenever a character uses an [MP3] or [UV3] technique, 30% of that character's Base PL gets added to the Crystal;
- Whenever a character uses a Special or Ultimate technique, 40% of that character's Base PL gets added to the Crystal.
When the Dark Crystal has reached double the PL of the character who has started the thread (Minimum of 400k PL), the crystal expends the gathered energy and permanently opens a link from that world to the Demon Realm, and is then returned to its owner. Then, any character with their own Dark Crystal can move to and from the Demon Realm from that planet. In order to stop the demon gateway from opening, the thread starter needs to be killed or rendered unconscious, severing their connection with the Dark Crystal. If this occurs, the Dark Crystal fades from existence, and must be acquired once more.
Moving To and From the Demon Realm
Once a link has been established, any character with a Dark Crystal can travel between the areas using this link. A player must submit a form in the Travel Log thread, stating their place of origin and their destination e.g. travel from Earth to Demon Realm, and vice versa. A player MUST create a departure thread, however, as confirmation for staff that the planet the character is attempting to move to and from does, indeed, have a link. The time between travel depends on race. - All other races that are not Demon, Mazoku, Majin, or demon hybrids must wait 24 hours.
- Majin, Mazoku, and demon Hybrids must wait 12 hours.
- Pure demons must wait 6 hours.
Player Opportunities
Like other places on the board, the Demon Realm can be influenced and changed through a few things. Players have the opportunity to claim the seat of one of the Three Great Territories by conducting a DE thread with the aim of claiming the title of Makaio for that territory. If no one challenges the thread creator for the position, either to claim it for themselves or to leave it open, within three days of the thread's creation, then they will automatically claim it. Alternatively, with admin permission, a player can create a DE thread in the Demon Realm's main board to create a new Great Territory, although this may be at expense of the current (if any) Makaio, and so may be challenged. If the claim is approved, and three days pass with no other posters to intervene, then that player automatically creates a new Great Territory. For flavour, players can also create lesser territories and become Daimaos without the need of creating a DE, perhaps finding unclaimed territory or a settlement with no current Daimao (However, any effects that would otherwise start a DE, such as mass murder or destruction, still apply.)
Why the Demon Realm?
- Currently, demons (and presumably majins) do not have a represented "ancestral" world in the same vein of saiyans having Vegeta, namekians having Namek, humans having Earth, and so forth. It would be good to have for these characters whose backstories are influenced by the demon realm to have a place where they can "revisit" and develop;
- The demon realm is not like other places, filled with evil and chaos with no sign of good. It would be a great tool for people to expand their characters and to roleplay in a much darker setting (In D&D terms, it would be similar to roleplaying in Ravenloft as opposed to the usual Forgotten Realms/Greyhawk settings);
- Exclusivity breeds interest. Because the demon realm isn't open to everyone at the start, people will start working towards getting there, which will in turn bring it to an active state. At the very least, more active than Space Prison Knutts, Planet Kabocha, and Planet Shikk…
- Originality! While Dragon Ball's lore does very little to give backstory on the realm itself, Dragon Ball Heroes has given some shred of the basic fundamentals. From here, it will allow staff and players to dictate how this realm will unfold.
Thanks for taking the time to read through all of this! If you have any questions or suggestions, just drop a post in this thread.
[/blockquote] EDIT: Ed has requested a straw poll so forum results cannot be skewed by alt accounts: www.strawpoll.me/13714651/r[/blockquote] [/div]
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Post by Bing Gan on Aug 15, 2017 13:23:14 GMT
I can already see some pretty major issues with this, the first of which being that we're adding seven entire boards that NOBODY can reach unless somebody with 200,000 Power Level wants to take a gamble on their current living situation to open the first door. The Dark Crystal idea is, on paper, something worth thinking about. I can tell you right now in practice that it will absolutely fail about 95% of the time, especially in the way you've set it up. If we changed it to just a timer (like the tree of might or any other attempt at conquering a planet) then it's at the very least feasible. As it is now though I just don't see it happening unless the stars align and it just so happens that EVERYONE leaves you alone. Also, no need for the PL requirement. Do away with it. Also also... Like, what's the point? I get that it's a place in the lore that hasn't been explored, but there's a good 25% chunk of our current boards that see absolutely no play. Adding in an extra seven boards that only Demons, Majins(?), and MAYBE some Hybrids have any reason to go to unless they're specifically designed as a demon hunter just makes no sense. A few demons have been allowed to visit the Demon Realm for brief periods already. Maeve Rakshasa has used it in a few solos, and a group thread. I think it's better left as something you can visit briefly for a thread or two rather than a whole board, at least for the time being.
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Post by Vi-Poi on Aug 15, 2017 22:31:12 GMT
I'd favor just a tech unlocking Demon Realm, where the main qualification for having the tech would be having a legitimate reason. For instance, a magician, or a demon. Not just any random Joe.
If it was ever imped, I think we should stick to three subboards tops. We'll do the research and writing on those.
What would be helpful is if you made a poll to see the enthusiasm levels for a Demon Realm.
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Post by Sansho on Aug 15, 2017 22:56:23 GMT
I can already see some pretty major issues with this, the first of which being that we're adding seven entire boards that NOBODY can reach unless somebody with 200,000 Power Level wants to take a gamble on their current living situation to open the first door. The Dark Crystal idea is, on paper, something worth thinking about. I can tell you right now in practice that it will absolutely fail about 95% of the time, especially in the way you've set it up. If we changed it to just a timer (like the tree of might or any other attempt at conquering a planet) then it's at the very least feasible. As it is now though I just don't see it happening unless the stars align and it just so happens that EVERYONE leaves you alone. Also, no need for the PL requirement. Do away with it. Also also... Like, what's the point? I get that it's a place in the lore that hasn't been explored, but there's a good 25% chunk of our current boards that see absolutely no play. Adding in an extra seven boards that only Demons, Majins(?), and MAYBE some Hybrids have any reason to go to unless they're specifically designed as a demon hunter just makes no sense. A few demons have been allowed to visit the Demon Realm for brief periods already. Maeve Rakshasa has used it in a few solos, and a group thread. I think it's better left as something you can visit briefly for a thread or two rather than a whole board, at least for the time being. Thanks. I'll take those Dark Crystal ideas on board. But as said, this is just a draft of ideas, so if you or any other admins want to change a few things around or make amendments, feel free to do so. I think the main reason why certain areas on the board have no activity is because... well, they're probably not interesting. Or at the very least, not as interesting as say Earth or Namek or Vegeta. I am confident that the Demon Realm will be of interest to players. I'd favor just a tech unlocking Demon Realm, where the main qualification for having the tech would be having a legitimate reason. For instance, a magician, or a demon. Not just any random Joe. If it was ever imped, I think we should stick to three subboards tops. We'll do the research and writing on those. What would be helpful is if you made a poll to see the enthusiasm levels for a Demon Realm. I think the problem with only allowing certain people into the realm would be that it will become scarce, as well as lack of diversity between characters who indeed want to roleplay there. The Dark Crystal idea will allow all players access to the forum, though not as easily as just walking in. And good idea. I'll make a straw poll and amend it to the OP. Anyways, thanks for the feedback guys.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 0:06:23 GMT
I think if a player is going to spend 15k zeni for a travel item, there needs to be some sort of incentive, which is a bad idea. My advice is lower it to 100,000 with a ssj level trans and bring the dark crystal price WAYYYY down
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Post by Grail Brisk on Aug 16, 2017 1:54:09 GMT
1. Super hype at the idea of an actual Demon Realm to RP in on site!
2. Reduce the travel restrictions to this place A LOT please. Even in the anime it was shown that Goku, some random Joe off the street, can enter into the Demon Realm even accidentally if they travel through an existing portal that has already been established. (Kid Goku traveled through a big honkin door into the lands of some minor Daimao I believe). Thus, I think the methods to access the Demon Realm should be far less stringent.
My ideas for that are thus.
A. Keep the Dark Crystals idea. Treat them like Transportation items in most cases, allowing the user alone to transfer to and from Demon Realm from anywhere in the Living Realm. They should be a shop item with a price comparable to our existing transportation items, with a price mark down for Demons and Mystically inclined characters (Do NOT hide them behind a race gate please, realistically speaking if someone WANTS a way into Demon Realm they WILL find a way to do so) The original price might be rather high, like a Royal Spaceship, while the reduced price for applicable characters might be closer to a Basic Spaceship.
B. Lose the Portal Opening Ritual as it is, and limit the ability to create Demon Portals to established Makaio, with each Makaio being able to create and maintain one Portal. These portals must be established in a Saga from the planet the Portal leads to, and once established they allow anyone to merely walk through into the outskirts of the land of the Makaio that made the portal.
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Post by Yurei on Aug 16, 2017 2:06:00 GMT
the concept is nice and all but the fact that people have to reach 200k isn't worth creating tbh. its the fact that you are only going to have high level characters be able to enter it, while the lower class people under 200k wont even bother looking at the demon realm since they don't meet the 200k requirement. and i honestly don't see the demon realm being used at all by the high level people above 200k, if they do use it. it would only be a few.
i just honestly think its too complex just for people to enter the demon realm and that it overall doesn't offer anything towards players other than going there and claiming a throne through a DE. though it would be cool to have a D&D type setting where an admin or mod is the host and other players join in the thread and the admin creates the stories etc. now that's something we, well I, would look forward to
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Post by Sansho on Aug 16, 2017 12:10:34 GMT
I think if a player is going to spend 15k zeni for a travel item, there needs to be some sort of incentive, which is a bad idea. My advice is lower it to 100,000 with a ssj level trans and bring the dark crystal price WAYYYY down The idea behind the Demon Realm is that it's hard to get to, which is why the price is so high. Having said that, looking at the usual spaceship prices, the price of the crystal could be reduce to around 4k-5k zenni. Thanks for the feedback! 1. Super hype at the idea of an actual Demon Realm to RP in on site! 2. Reduce the travel restrictions to this place A LOT please. Even in the anime it was shown that Goku, some random Joe off the street, can enter into the Demon Realm even accidentally if they travel through an existing portal that has already been established. (Kid Goku traveled through a big honkin door into the lands of some minor Daimao I believe). Thus, I think the methods to access the Demon Realm should be far less stringent. My ideas for that are thus. A. Keep the Dark Crystals idea. Treat them like Transportation items in most cases, allowing the user alone to transfer to and from Demon Realm from anywhere in the Living Realm. They should be a shop item with a price comparable to our existing transportation items, with a price mark down for Demons and Mystically inclined characters (Do NOT hide them behind a race gate please, realistically speaking if someone WANTS a way into Demon Realm they WILL find a way to do so) The original price might be rather high, like a Royal Spaceship, while the reduced price for applicable characters might be closer to a Basic Spaceship. B. Lose the Portal Opening Ritual as it is, and limit the ability to create Demon Portals to established Makaio, with each Makaio being able to create and maintain one Portal. These portals must be established in a Saga from the planet the Portal leads to, and once established they allow anyone to merely walk through into the outskirts of the land of the Makaio that made the portal. 1. Glad you're hyped! 2. The only intricate part is opening a rift to begin with, which Bing has been nice enough to provide an alternative with the Dark Crystal idea. After that, ANYONE with a Dark Crystal can travel to and from the demon realm with no other caveat besides travel time (like how all travel works here) A. Yup, a price drop is a good thing to the aforementioned 4k-5k price. B. The problem is that there are no existing Makaio: it is a position you can claim AFTER the demon realm has been opened, and requires a DE thread INSIDE one of the Three Great Territories. As such, the Ritual can be conducted by anyone, whether they are a demon or not. the concept is nice and all but the fact that people have to reach 200k isn't worth creating tbh. its the fact that you are only going to have high level characters be able to enter it, while the lower class people under 200k wont even bother looking at the demon realm since they don't meet the 200k requirement. and i honestly don't see the demon realm being used at all by the high level people above 200k, if they do use it. it would only be a few. i just honestly think its too complex just for people to enter the demon realm and that it overall doesn't offer anything towards players other than going there and claiming a throne through a DE. though it would be cool to have a D&D type setting where an admin or mod is the host and other players join in the thread and the admin creates the stories etc. now that's something we, well I, would look forward to The 200k requirement was a minimum as a means to explain the necessary power needed to open a rift (similar to how you need a minimum PL to blow up a planet.) But in hindsight considering the Crystal does it for you, the PL requirement can be dropped.
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Post by Sansho on Aug 16, 2017 12:42:29 GMT
Also, the straw poll has been added to the bottom of the original post as requested by Ed, so alt accounts cannot skew the results.
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Post by Jizo on Aug 19, 2017 7:12:49 GMT
I really like this idea, as it adds another level to the playing field. Potentially a new Ultimate (though that'd be a stretch) due to it being an extra plane of existence. But most importantly; it has a lot of potential for Demon and otherworldly race plots. I can definitely see Jizo heading to the Demon Realm on a mission for whatever reason; though I don't think travelling there should be too complicated.
Just a travel item and 24 hours travel time, and you have to return to where you left from when you leave (ie Earth > Demon Realm > Earth)
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Post by Vi-Poi on Aug 30, 2017 17:04:11 GMT
What about Planet Nikochan tho.
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Post by Gekido on Aug 30, 2017 18:18:37 GMT
What about make alts and use the planet yah got vips. Or mabe make the moon Nikochan your the pres after all
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