Koramund
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Post by Koramund on Nov 26, 2014 11:12:03 GMT
So for my character Koramund, I was beginning to get the idea to try to let him get the ranked spot of Kami, because of his back story, and what he wants to do. He wants to take the pain of others and help them, so no one feels the pain he felt when something terrible happened to him. So I had the idea of him climbing up Korin's tower, and finding the power pole, then climbing it up to the lookout. While climbing up the tower, his blood starts to resonance with the main chambers of the lookout, opening the Hyperbolic Time chamber. He walks in for two days, spending two years learning from the old kami the secrets and responsibilities of being a Kami, and then he uses his new powers to begin reforming the Dragon balls, creating his contract with the dragon.
Thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 12:37:53 GMT
Kora, it sounds interesting, but I guess we would need Dragonball rules if it goes through, and did you see the new SAGA idea with demons? That would most likely involve you too, maybe.
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Post by Toma on Nov 26, 2014 15:07:08 GMT
I personally really don't think this should happen unless you're a legit Namekian. Which you are not. It just seems like an insult to race limits and the Dragon Ball canon IMO.
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Post by Kadbra on Nov 26, 2014 15:40:12 GMT
There's no canon need for Kami to be Namekian - the Kami before the nameless Namekian was not from Namek. However, I don't see how a non-Namekian could create Dragon Balls, so if Koramund ends up as Kami, we wouldn't have Dragon Balls on Earth.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 16:15:07 GMT
Canon-wise, I don't think you need Namekians for Dragonballs. Certainly the case in Dragonball Z, but didn't GT have those Galactic Dragonballs? Were they also created by a Namekian (I'm uncertain).
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Post by Pieter Wolfbane on Nov 26, 2014 16:17:50 GMT
I mean, the nameless Namekian decided to give the Earth dragon balls at his own volition. So, if someone not Namekian became Kami, then we'd just have no Dragon Balls and carry on with how it has been so far: Death is threatening.
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Koramund
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Post by Koramund on Nov 26, 2014 16:40:04 GMT
The rules of the leader and teachers say you don't need to be the race specifically, but my guy is technically still part Namekian.
"Without a model of the dragon and a set of Dragon Balls (in its plain rock form), it would take about 100 days to create the Dragon Balls (as mentioned by Dende before he modified them). If the creator allows it, the Dragon Balls can be used even if a year has not passed; this happens only once in the series, when Kami allowed Goku and his friends to revive all people killed by King Piccolo, even though it had only been a few days since King Piccolo wished to restore his youth."
"When Dende became the Earth's guardian, he modified the burnt out Dragon Balls created by Kami, giving Shenron the power to grant three wishes (two wishes if one wish is used to revive a large amount of people). He chose simply modifying Kami's Dragon Balls over creating a new set because the time it would take to create a new set from scratch was far too long, especially given the imminent threat of Cell. In addition to this, Dende's dragon can grant one wish and then have the other wishes saved for a later time. This was shown in the Buu Saga, when one wish was made to revive all those killed by Majin Vegeta, and then Goku asked Shenron to save the following wishes. Therefore, only four or so months after Kid Buu's defeat, another wish was made to erase the Earthlings' memories of Buu. One obstacle that Dende could not overcome for the new set of balls is that, a person cannot be revived more than once. Like the Namekian Dragon Balls, the summoner must utter a set of words. In Dragon Ball Z, these words are "Eternal Dragon, by your name, I summon you forth: Shenron!" In Dragon Ball GT, right before the Shadow Dragon Saga, the words have changed to "Arise, Shenron!""
"Shenron can be summoned by gathering all seven of the Dragon Balls of Earth. According to the back of the "Saga of Goku" boxed set, Shenron dwells in a raging fire deep inside the Earth's core when the Dragon Balls are currently not being used. Shenron can bestow any wish as long as it does not exceed the power of his creator, who must be still alive"
So the Dragon balls are simply a way of summoning him, like a contract, and the previous dragon balls (Since no one destroyed them in this time line, simply they turned to stone) I could like dende just modify the dragon balls and reawaken them, plus in my guy's idea he would train with Kami and learn how to summon it, so I think it makes sense. I am only putting all of this down because the main issue seems to just be my guy's race XD
Also, technically in the games Mr. Popo became the kami of the dragon balls while the real kami was dead, and Mr. Popo mentioned the below paragraph:
"Planet Earth has been overseen by Guardians for as long as the history given on the Dragon World dates back, and Mr. Popo has been the servant of several of them. The guardians preceding Kami are referred to as the Kamis of the Past in Daizenshuu 7, and Kami's former master is referred to as Kami of the Previous Generation. The Nameless Namekian, as well as Garlic in movie/filler only, assumed the role of apprentice(s) to Earth's current Guardian in Age 431."
And the greatest example of evidence that a non-namekian can be a Kami, is what Kami did here: "After Piccolo is defeated in the World Martial Arts Tournament, relative peace remains for five years. Kami proposes Goku to become the new Guardian of Earth, but Goku refuses before leaving with his future wife Chi-Chi."
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Post by Toma on Nov 27, 2014 22:42:29 GMT
The position of KAMI doesn't need to be Namekian, that's true. But for Kami to have Dragon Balls... yea you would probably need to be Namekian.
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Post by Kojima on Nov 29, 2014 2:23:04 GMT
I'm going to just straight up say this cannot happen no matter what the community votes. Unless this site goes AU on this only a full blooded Dragon Clan Namekian can create the dragon balls as stated by Canon information. Changing this causes the site to go AU and since Bao doesn't like the idea of this site going AU the chances of this being allowed is about a 1 in 1,000,000,000 chance.
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Post by Koramund on Nov 29, 2014 2:26:35 GMT
So now I have another argument statement, do we have to follow the Canon PERFECTLY? You are saying a Kami doesn't need to be Namekian, but to use the magic they have to be. Plus, that's taking away everything special from the Kami role. That means all I have is the chamber, and water, if I get it, but then I don't have the thing that Kami is known for, the Dragon balls. Would you take away powers from any other spot because their not the same race? Piccalo taught a Namekian move to Gohan (Magic Materialization, Masenko, etc") so why can't I use the Pendulum chamber to train with the old Kamis, and learn the secrets? I think its possible, and there is a rational way to explain it.
Also, Dragon Namekians are just a clan, what if they are not Dragon but instead a Warrior, or a Mutant or a Evil Namekian? The Dragon clan was less then 100 members in all of DBZ, and yet only two of them could make Dragon balls? I think it should be teachable, but the guardian decides to only teach the one person, to make sure no more Shenrons are created.
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Post by Kojima on Nov 29, 2014 2:45:51 GMT
Masenko isn't a Namekian move, that's a move Gohan himself made. We never saw Piccolo ever teach him anything other than how to be stronger. Fact of the matter is you cannot make the dragon balls because you aren't a Dragon Clan Namekian and because of that you were never taught how too.
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Post by President Bao on Nov 29, 2014 2:47:22 GMT
My own *personal* opinion is indeed that a non-dragon clan kami would not be able to make dragonballs, since they are a magical skill specific to the dragon clan. (piccolo couldn't make them even after merging with kami). But they would have access to the rest of Kami's stuff, much like the guardians which came before dbz's kami who also had no dragonballs but still oversaw the lookout. As for dragonballs, Popo made the figurine but knows nothing about acctually making working dragonballs, and even so he actually isn't around(There is basically a veto on canon characters, we are all about our own characters here ) (and to answer one of the other comments here - GT is non-canon to Souls, but the black star dragonballs were made by the 'nameless namekian' before he split into kami and piccolo... not that it makes any sense) Either way, as with everything it would be omething to vote on, and allow the community to decide (both the arcosian bio-android as kami part, and whether you should have dragonballs). I have to admit I kinda like the notion of dragonballs being only on namek, would certainly give people a reason to go there.
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Koramund
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Post by Koramund on Nov 30, 2014 23:23:08 GMT
I surrender trying to gain the spot of Kami...
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Post by Pipa on Dec 5, 2014 0:31:21 GMT
Allow Koramund to absorb Milac and have it grant him the things that he needs to do it.
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