Black ♠ Jack
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Post by Black ♠ Jack on Mar 17, 2017 19:56:11 GMT
This is just a place for me to store data crunching and explore hypothesis on balance structures and whatnot. I don't care if you comment with your opinion on an article, as feedback can be helpful, but nothing here is a completed suggestion and more of a log of things i've number crunched out for future suggestions.
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Black ♠ Jack
Newcomer
PL: 1,100
Haunting (x12)
Zeni: 5,800
Tag: @black
Posts: 47
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Post by Black ♠ Jack on Mar 17, 2017 19:59:38 GMT
Issue: Currently, the hybrid choice for demons is incredibly under-par when compared to choosing human as a starter tree. Hybrid demons gain one bonus technique. Hybrid humans gain techniques 1,000 pl faster in addition to +250 bonus zeni. By the time a half human reaches 100,000pl they gain 5 additional techniques from their UC. Thus, demon hybrid UCs are currently a poor choice all around, forcing those who want to play one to pick a poorly tuned UC for the sake of flavor. Hypothetical Solution: The demon hybrid UC should be a +2x once per thread attack, not usable with event trigger transformations. I specifically say any event trigger transformation because half-saiyans could get around the makyo star block by choosing their transformations to flavor off of oozaru and full moons. In addition, bio-androids should get a +1x once per thread attack as well. Known Arguments against the change: The biggest arguement brought against this proposal in the past was that the hybrid will outshine the demon in the later tiers. The x4 is the demons only ability, so it is important that they get more millage out of it overall. Power Level
| Demon (+x4) | Hybrid (+2x) | Bio-Android (+1x) | Span | 0 | x7 | x61 | x2 | 20,000pl | 20,000 | x7 | x6 | x82 | 50,000pl | 70,000 | x12 | x6 | x82 | 30,000pl | 100,000 | x12 | x13 | x82 | 20,000pl | 110,000 | x12 | x13 | x123 | ^^^^^ | 120,000 | x12 | x13 | x144 | 20,000pl | 140,000 | x22 | x13 | x144 | 110,000 | 240,000 | x26 | x13 | x144 | ^^^^^ | 250,000 | x26 | x295 | x343 | 135,000 | 330,000 | x26 | x295 | x364 | ^^^^^ | 385,000 | x44 | x295 | x364 | 15,000 | 400,000 | x44 | x42 | x44 | 50,000 | 450,000 | x44 | x476 | x44 | - |
| 225,000 | 20,000 | 255,000 (see notes) | Superiority Span Times |
1 Hidden potential path. Trigger path hybrid is a x2 attack only. 2 Assumes full bio-meta, which is rare. Can be as low as a x4 attack. 3 Cocoon path. 4 Catalyst path. 5 requires desperation trigger, if not gained 50,000pl later to unlock. 6 requires saga defeat, -1x if no.
Conclusion 1: Bio androids can not take the buff because it causes the demon to be outplayed with their own ability too much, even considering that 50,000pl of the superiority span is difficult for a BA to get. Bio-androids dropped for proposal. Demon vs Hybrid to be reexamined after removing BA data later. A perhaps more fair adjustment to the bio-android would be 3 free techs, which would at least give some instant gratification compared to what it gives now which favors human trait heavily.
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Black ♠ Jack
Newcomer
PL: 1,100
Haunting (x12)
Zeni: 5,800
Tag: @black
Posts: 47
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Post by Black ♠ Jack on Mar 17, 2017 20:43:59 GMT
pl | Alien A | Alien B | Alien C | Android | Arcosian | Bio-Android | Demon | Human | Hybrid | Majin | Namekian | Saiyan | Tier Average | 0 | x2 | x4 | x12* x1 | x3* x1 | x10 | x1 | x8* x3 | x3* x1 | x10* x4* x1 | x3/8* x1/x3 | x5* x4 | x10* x1 | 4.5 | 10k | x2 | x4 | x12* x1 | x3* x1 | x10 | x1 | x8* x3 | x3* | x10* x4* | x3/8* x1/x3 | x5* x4 | x10* x6* x1 | 5 | 20k | x2 | x8 | x12* x1 | x3* x1 | x10 | x8* x3 | x8* x3 | x3 | x10* x4* | x3/8*
x1/x3 | x5* x4 | x10* x6* x1 | 5 | 35k | x2 | x8 | x12* x1 | x3* x1 | x10 | x8* x3 | x8* x3 | x3 | x10* x4 | x3/8* x1/x3 | x5* x4 | x10* x6* x1 | 5 | 50k | x2 | x8 | x12* x7 | x9* x6 | x10 | x8* x3 | x8* x3 | x3 | x10* x4 | x3/8* x1/x3 | x8* x7 | x10* x6* x1 | 6 | pl | Alien A | Alien B | Alien C | Android | Arcosian | Bio-Android | Demon | Human | Hybrid | Majin | Namekian | Saiyan | Tier Average | 70k | x6 | x8 | x12* x7 | x9* x6 | x10 | x8* x3 | x13* x8 | x6 | x10* x4 | x6/x12* x4/x7 | x8* x7 | x10* x6* x1 | 7.5 | 100k | x6 | x8 | x12* x7 | x12* x9 | x10 | x8* x3 | x13* x8 | x6 | x11 | x6/x12*
x4/x7 | x8* x7 | x12 | 8.5 | 110k | x6 | x10 | x12* x7 | x12* x9 | x10 | x11 x8* x3 | x13* x8 | x6 | x11 | x6/x12*
x4/x7 | x8* x7 | x12 | 8.5 | 120k | x6 | x10 | x12* x7 | x12* x9 | x10 | x11 x13 | x13* x8 | x6 | x11 | x6/x12*
x4/x7 | x8* x7 | x12 | 9 | 140k | x6 | x10 | x12* x7 | x12* x9 | x10 | x11 x13 | x18 | x16 | x11 | x6/x12*
x4/x7 | x8* x7 | x12 | 10 | 150k | x15 | x10 | x18/12 x16 | x17* x14 | x15* x12 | x11 x15 | x18 | x16 | x11 | x12/x18* x10/x13 | x19* x18 | x12
| 14 | pl | Alien A | Alien B | Alien C | Android | Arcosian | Bio-Android | Demon | Human | Hybrid | Majin | Namekian | Saiyan | Tier Average | 160k | x15 | x15 | x18/12 x16 | x17* x14 | x15* x12 | x11 x15 | x18 | x16 | x11 | x12/x18*
x10/x13 | x19* x18 | x12 | 14.5 | 175k | x15 | x15 | x18/12 x16 | x17* x14 | x15* x12 | x11 x15 | x18 | x16 | x14 x18/12 | x12/x18*
x10/x13 | x19* x18 | x15 x17/x12 x22* | 15 | 200k | x15 | x15 | x20 | x17* x14 | x15* x12 | x11 x15 | x18 | x16 | x14 x18/12 | x17/x23* x15/x18 | x19* x18 | x15 x17/x12 x22* | 16 | 220k | x15 | x15 | x20 | x23* x20 | x16 | x11 x15 | x18 | x16 | x14 x18/12 | x17/x23*
x15/x18 | x21* x20 | x15 x17/x12 x22* | 17 | 240k | x15 | x15 | x20 | x23* x20 | x16 | x11 x15 | x22 | x16 | x14 x18/12 | x17/x23* x15/x18 | x21* x20 | x15 x17/x12 x22* | 17 | 250k | x25 | x22 | x20 | x23* x20 | x16 | x33 x15 | x22 | x23 | x27* x18/12 | x17/x23* x15/x18 | x21* x20 | x25 | 21 | 275k | x25 | x22 | x20 | x23* x20 | x16 | x33 x28 | x22 | x23 | x27* x18/12 | x17/x23* x15/x18 | x21* x20 | x25 | 21.5 | pl | Alien A | Alien B | Alien C | Android | Arcosian | Bio-Android | Demon | Human | Hybrid | Majin | Namekian | Saiyan | Tier Average | 300k | x25 | x22 | x32/x25 | x32* x29 | x16 | x33 x28 | x22 | x23 | x27 | x27/x33* x25/x28 | x33* x32 | x25 | 27 | 330k | x25 | x22 | x32/x25 | x32* x29 | x16 | x33 x35/25 | x22 | x23 | x27 | x27/x33* x25/x28 | x33* x32 | x25 | 27.5 | 350k | x25 | x22 | x32/x25 | x32* x29 | x23 | x33 x35/25 | x22 | x23 | x27 | x32/x38* x30/x33 | x33* x32 | x25 | 29 | 385k | x25 | x22 | x32/x25 | x32* x29 | x23 | x33 x35/25 | x40 | x23 | x27 | x32/x38* x30/x33 | x33* x32 | x25 | 30 | 400k | x42 | x22 | x32/x25 | x43* x40 | x23 | x43 | x40 | x23 | x40 | x32/x38* x30/x33 | x33* x32 | x40 | 34 | 425k | x42 | x22 | x32/x25 | x43* x40 | x23 | x43 | x40 | x23 | x40 | x32/x38* x30/x33 | x43* x42 | x40 | 35 | 430k | x42 | x22 | x42 | x43* x40 | x23 | x43 | x40 | x23 | x40 | x32/x38* x30/x33 | x43* x42 | x40 | 36.5 | 450k | x42 | x22 | x42 | x43* x40 | x23 | x43 | x40 | x23 | x45 x44 | x39/x45* x37/x40 | x43* x42 | x40 | 38.5 | 460k | x46 | x22 | x42 | x43* x40 | x23 | x43 | x40 | x23 | x45 x44 | x39/x45* x37/x40 | x43* x42 | x40 | 38.5 | 490k | x46 | x45 | x42 | x43* x40 | x23 | x43 | x40 | x23 | x45 x44 | x39/x45* x37/x40 | x43* x42 | x40 | 40 | 500k | x46 | x45 | x42 | x43* x40 | x47 | x43 | x40 | x50 | x45 x44 | x39/x45* x37/x40 | x43* x42 | x45 | 43.5 |
*Represents conditional transformations, some are harder to obtain than others. Red- Under Average. Green- Average. Blue- Above Average. Bold- Highest possible trans for PL at the tier. Averages calculated by taking all relevant transforms at the power level and averaging them. Species with multiple transforms are averaged multiple times to rep the two different paths. Species with x/x have both the attack and defense modifiers averaged separately.
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