Bing Gan
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Post by Bing Gan on Oct 15, 2016 6:40:31 GMT
Hey there, everyone. This one is pretty simple. Guards are much too weak in their current form. This poll will be used to determine what our guards will be upgraded to. (To read the discussion thread preceding this, please click this link) For posterity, this is Guard's in their current state:
- 'Guard': 500z | 2500z| 5000z | 20,000z | 37,000z | 50,000z : Another form of tag along character, filling the role of 'Dabura' for your 'Babidi' or the 'Mai' and 'Shu' to your 'Pilaf', protectors whose power level is not based on their owner's but rather purchased independently -> 500z (=5000pl/3 technique slots), 2500z (=10,000pl/5 technique slots), 5000z (=20,000pl/7 technique slots), 20,000z (=50,000pl/9 technique slots), 37,000z (75,000pl/10 technique slots), and 50,000z (=100,000pl/11 technique slots)
Now, here are some in-depth looks at each option: Option 1: 500z for 5,000 PL > 2,500z for 50,000 PL > 5000z for 100,000 > 20,000z for 1 million PL > 37,000z for 2 million PL > 50,000z for 3 Million PL Option 2: Same as above, but 500z for 10,000 Power Level Option 3: Increased prices of Option 2 Option 4: Increases prices of Option 1 Option 5: No change
Notes: -Aside from the fifth option, all options will also add a revival penalty for Guards who die in Death-Enabled threads. Should a Guard die, they can be revived for half the original price of the purchase. -Should the vote end with either Option 3 or 4, a follow-up vote will be made to decide the increase of prices.
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Mayze
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PL: 250,469
Super Saiyan(x12) MSSJ(x15)
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Post by Mayze on Oct 15, 2016 19:10:10 GMT
50,000k zeni for 3 million pl? That seems a bit much.
EDIT: The PL I mean
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Mayze
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PL: 250,469
Super Saiyan(x12) MSSJ(x15)
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Shoki: 2,965
Tag: @gagelange10
OOC Name: Gage
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Post by Mayze on Oct 15, 2016 19:49:11 GMT
Sorry to double post, but for 150k zeni you could have 9 million pl at your disposal.
EDIT: It'd also be an easy way around SMM.
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Post by Helix Crust on Oct 15, 2016 20:00:17 GMT
If we used the sugguested ratio, we'd have to reduce the technique slot to PL ratio for the guards as well, or there'd be guards with essentially endless techniques.
I'd go for a more reasonable and even ratio of: 500z for 5,000 PL > 2,500z for 25,000 PL > 5000z for 50,000 > 20,000z for 200,000 PL > 37,000z for 370,000 PL > 50,000z for 500,000 PL
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Bing Gan
Administrator
PL: 374,871
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Post by Bing Gan on Oct 15, 2016 21:01:27 GMT
I think you're overestimating the speed at which one can gain 50,000 Zeni. It's not that easy, and if all you were to gain from it was a measly 500,000 PL it'd be an absolute waste of money. We considered 5 million PL at first but that was too high. 3 Million is just high enough to be a worthy purchase, but just low enough to not pose a threat to EVERY player. Also Mayze 150,000 Zeni takes a lot longer to get to than 300,000 Power Level.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2016 21:13:34 GMT
I think you're overestimating the speed at which one can gain 50,000 Zeni. It's not that easy, and if all you were to gain from it was a measly 500,000 PL it'd be an absolute waste of money. We considered 5 million PL at first but that was too high. 3 Million is just high enough to be a worthy purchase, but just low enough to not pose a threat to EVERY player. Also Mayze 150,000 Zeni takes a lot longer to get to than 300,000 Power Level. Hold on, I'd like to argue that it is pretty easy to get 50,000 Zeni. I think I've nearly done it, well, if I hadn't bought anything. In my time here, after six months I estimate I got around 30,500 Zeni to use. I'm sure others have too. My question though before I even think about voting on this is who actually uses minions around here or body guards? I have used one of each, but I know Katsu had a few, Xanara has a minion, and Dr. Breech has a few body guards. If anyone else uses them it's probably important to know.
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Post by Plato on Oct 15, 2016 21:19:37 GMT
I have plans to use minions once i become king agian, i like minions their great but some of them are too weak and i like the idea going for here, because their a lot of items that boost powerlevel gain but not zeni, so getting a huge amount of zeni is far less efficient then just going of heavy weights then grinding up powerlevel it is a fact
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Capper Hofferson
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Post by Capper Hofferson on Oct 15, 2016 21:54:57 GMT
I think you're overestimating the speed at which one can gain 50,000 Zeni. It's not that easy, and if all you were to gain from it was a measly 500,000 PL it'd be an absolute waste of money. We considered 5 million PL at first but that was too high. 3 Million is just high enough to be a worthy purchase, but just low enough to not pose a threat to EVERY player. Also Mayze 150,000 Zeni takes a lot longer to get to than 300,000 Power Level. Hold on, I'd like to argue that it is pretty easy to get 50,000 Zeni. I think I've nearly done it, well, if I hadn't bought anything. In my time here, after six months I estimate I got around 30,500 Zeni to use. I'm sure others have too. My question though before I even think about voting on this is who actually uses minions around here or body guards? I have used one of each, but I know Katsu had a few, Xanara has a minion, and Dr. Breech has a few body guards. If anyone else uses them it's probably important to know. -raises hand- Capper's gonna use Guards primarily since he will probably be stuck at 20 PL for a loooooong time unless he somehow finds the motivation and purpose to train under someone. That and his minions would all be under 20 PL. Guards it is for him! But yeah, I'd say 50,000 Zeni isn't that hard to get- Capper's already well on his way there with 15,000 Zeni- and I've barely even been here a month! Not to mention some shops make gaining Zeni much easier and quicker. I'm pretty sure 50,000 is just the right amount- while the 50,000 Zeni for 100,000 would be devastating back in the day when the forum was just starting, it's nothing now. 3,000,000 PL for 50,000 Zeni seems like just the right amount in my opinion. Capper won't be so puny when he's got three or four of those by his side! Still, I do appreciate this rework for guards. We could always put higher PL guards for even more Zeni on the menu, but that's a whole other topic. Thank you for your time and consideration!
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Mayze
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PL: 250,469
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Post by Mayze on Oct 16, 2016 1:43:13 GMT
I think you're overestimating the speed at which one can gain 50,000 Zeni. It's not that easy, and if all you were to gain from it was a measly 500,000 PL it'd be an absolute waste of money. We considered 5 million PL at first but that was too high. 3 Million is just high enough to be a worthy purchase, but just low enough to not pose a threat to EVERY player. Also Mayze 150,000 Zeni takes a lot longer to get to than 300,000 Power Level. Perhaps, but it's still an easy way around Super Man Malus.
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Bing Gan
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Post by Bing Gan on Oct 16, 2016 2:10:21 GMT
It's also a much worse way of using that PL. If a 9 Million PL player goes up against 3 3 Million PL Guards, the player has an advantage, as none of the three are even within 60% and as such the player can easily clean house over the course of a few turns.
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Post by Gekido on Oct 16, 2016 2:18:00 GMT
ok then maybe pull guards down to a cap of 1.5m cut in and half but still make it likea powerful thing, maybe bring everything down around half expect the base?
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Vi-Poi
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Post by Vi-Poi on Oct 16, 2016 2:22:14 GMT
A Guard isn't as good as a player in a few ways. A Guard doesn't have near as many techs, and when it dies it costs 1/2 the purchase price to bring it back.
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Bing Gan
Administrator
PL: 374,871
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Zeni: 13,528
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Post by Bing Gan on Oct 16, 2016 2:23:51 GMT
If the vote leans towards option 5, 4, or 3 we can re-do the numbers. If not, we'll use what's listed.
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Post by Brisk on Oct 26, 2016 22:38:01 GMT
What happens to the dragonball Wish guard? ;P
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Bing Gan
Administrator
PL: 374,871
Enlightenment (x16P), S. Ascension (x23)
Zeni: 13,528
Tag: @bingg
OOC Name: Bing/Biggums/TruetoCaesar
Posts: 3,722
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Post by Bing Gan on Oct 30, 2016 8:27:59 GMT
Alright, the votes been going on long enough. Updates will be made to the guards soon (including the Dragon Ball wish guard, once we figure out a number that would be properly boosted like the other purchasable options)
Thank you all for voting.
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