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Post by Hyoza on Aug 29, 2014 15:45:23 GMT
Hey all, so Bao has been writing up some ideas for future transformations for the various playable races. There's been some discussion about the possibility of revealing/concealing these future transformations, and it seemed like a good idea to start an open discussion on the subject.
So basically, there are a load of planned Transformations which are not currently listed on the race pages, there are merely question marks (?) where they will eventually be. The question raised has been - do we leave them that way for now?
A few different ideas have been presented as to how we deal with this, and I'll start with the most simple: we just reveal all of the Transformations and their requirements as soon as we have finished working out the details of how they will work.
Second: the transformations remain a secret to members until a character achieves the PL (and any other potential requirements) required to gain it, at which point it will be revealed.
Third: We set up 'milestones', where a player gets to within a certain distance of a new transformation, and becomes aware of its existence.
There are of course other ways we could do this, or compromise somewhere between the ideas already presented. This is by no means a poll with final options, so present your thoughts and ideas here. We want this place to be fun for everyone, and everyone's voice counts.
I'm personally behind the second option, which I feel helps retain a barrier between OOC and IC knowledge (Your character does not know everything you do). Many of the currently-unrevealed transformations are long-forgotten, never achieved, or considered mere legends by the inhabitants of the current setting. Not only that, but I feel keeping them hidden will prevent people just rushing for transformations that their characters shouldn't even be aware of the existence of.
That's how I feel, but this is a democracy! Make your opinions known, guys!
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Post by karanon on Aug 29, 2014 16:12:45 GMT
I'm behind the third option, I think it'd be nice to know when we get close to a new transformation. Like say within 10% of the required PL or so, than let us know that we're approaching it. I mean before Goku became an actual super saiyan he had rare moments where he became kind of an intermediary super saiyan. I think something like this could potentially happen, where we don't gain any of the PL gains, but we start to notice a change in our character.
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Hitake Itori
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Post by Hitake Itori on Aug 29, 2014 18:22:22 GMT
I'd be behind #2. I like the factor of surprise and nothing is more satisfying then after a hard training session all of a sudden your told you just got something unexpected and cool.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 19:05:22 GMT
I say a combination of the two. As you near the power needed for it you should slowly become aware of there is something greater but not exactly what. Plus that retains the surprise of what have I discovered.
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Post by Pieter Wolfbane on Aug 29, 2014 20:14:02 GMT
Ninjin's got a good idea. Combine the last two and we've got something to really look forward to!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 21:33:46 GMT
That combination idea doesn't sound too bad.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 1:21:38 GMT
I would like to clarify what I am talking about and I will use myself as an example.
Ok let's say SSJ is a million pl. At 900k after a moderator messages me and says I can start hinting at said transformation while training. Say have it suddenly flaring up randomly at first causing Ninjin to burn out ki wise. As this incident occurs she is intrigued at what happened. So then we get to rp out the discovery that this power is out there and then we go through stages to get control of it or have something occurs that triggers it to emerge and not burn the persons ki out ala goku trunks an all of them. The event must be okayed though to be traumatic or impactful by a moderator as well.
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Post by Zucceta on Aug 30, 2014 12:08:52 GMT
My original intention was to keep transformations secret until someone hit the tier, and then still keep the other requirements (besides PL) secret also. So I'm falling into the 2 combined with 3 camp.
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Post by President Bao on Aug 30, 2014 17:23:16 GMT
One clarification I would like to make on this comment (sorry Hyoza XD) Details are already 'worked out' so to speak , discussions about them or possible changes aren't meant to be done behind closed doors though as this is an open [democratic] process. (I apologise if my draft post in Staff area lead to the wrong impression in that respect). This is just me, a fellow member known as Bao, presenting my ideas for transformations and racial traits as a suggestion, just as lee did here for humans (except I've been brainstorming ideas for a good while now on the train to and from work and want to share them for everyone to consider and discuss ). It's wonderful how well mannered and respectful you all are towards me, I appreciate that very much and thank you for being such a great community(thoroughly enjoy being around here), but make no mistake - When it comes to these sorts of topics, where it's not about enforcing existing rules - I'm just a guy, my opinion should only be considered to hold the personal merit of whatever you believe my opinion/presented evidence to be worth. Anyway - I will mention a concern I have with this:Transparency is a double-edged sword in some cases - but informed decisions require information on the subject matter, you can't give your opinions and feedback on something which you don't know the details of. May sound a little silly, but I've actually come to somewhat regret(for lack of a better word) having posted/shown my proposed transformations ahead of time in the admin section, as this discussion is now an uneven playing field where one side has the full picture but the other does not - such a scenario kinda contradicts the Full Democracy system Souls is intended to represent*. The repercussions of this particular suggestion stretch a little further than I thought too, cause (while writing this just now) I've realised it doesn't just gate off transformation knowledge(which by itself is a kinda neat gameplay dynamic, in that like site patches it makes for an interesting surprise), it gates off all meaningful discussion/suggestions/critique on transformations, racial balance, and even racial characteristics and fairness of given situations.
*(a completely transparent and open community place where admin are NOT operating behind closed doors and dictating how things will be done, but rather where the community itself is directly involved in the creation, modification and critique of all things relating to the sites operation - admin and mods operating simply there as fellow members, and... well, housemaids to be honest.)
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Tao Lung
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Post by Tao Lung on Aug 30, 2014 19:32:44 GMT
I normally would go with the full transparency transformation suggestion, but looking through another angle as the one Hyoza provided, I'm with the second option.It makes roleplays more spontaneous an I think surprises are always a welcome factor. I think only if a more complex requirement (I mean things other than pl) members should be warned about it when they get close enough to unlock it.And if so, naturally the warning should be made via PM.
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Post by Hyoza on Aug 30, 2014 19:37:40 GMT
Then surely a vote needs to be taken to determine whether people are willing to allow this to be left in the hands of staff - because that is the only way they could be kept any kind of secret. You do make an excellent point - the idea contradicts one of the core ideals behind the structuring of the site. If we're gonna go against that, we ought to have a heavy vote in favour of it.
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Post by karanon on Sept 1, 2014 0:09:13 GMT
Well you could always let us know what the multipliers are going to be at each foreseeable stage, and leave the details like the prerequesites out. That way, there's transparency where it comes to how much of a boost we can look forward too, and yet the important details that you want to keep a surprise would be left out without being a total dictatorship about it. But yeah, a vote would be wise.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 0:12:39 GMT
Well you could always show us what the transformations are and what the multipliers are. Yet we can retain the rp and surprise of it so that we are surprised when we get to said levels. But then again I see Karanon already said this point.
I think something like what I said and then the transparency of what Karanon said to do combined would be a rather ideal thing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 12:13:42 GMT
Well you could always let us know what the multipliers are going to be at each foreseeable stage, and leave the details like the prerequisites out. That way, there's transparency where it comes to how much of a boost we can look forward too, and yet the important details that you want to keep a surprise would be left out without being a total dictatorship about it. But yeah, a vote would be wise. I agree with Karanon. It will allow us to RP effectively but still know what rewards are coming.
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Post by Relis on Sept 1, 2014 15:50:46 GMT
Perhaps you as a person knows about it but your character is UN aware of this looming power and you can make a training thread about it maybe invite others with you too
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