Post by Reikiko on Apr 4, 2015 8:26:58 GMT
So~ With recent talks about Ultimates and such slowly surfacing (Ultimates being a 'new' tier that only specific tutors can teach, they are the best you can get, but also the hardest), we stumbled upon an old fan-favorite of ours: Kaioken. So far there have been three possible methods born after a bit of back and forth talking, and we wanted to see what you all thought about them. However, today the focus of this topic would be something... a bit special.
Kaioken Transformations:
Kaioken, at its base has always shown to be a bit of a 'huge boost in strength, but at a heavy price', to the point that at end-game it was, for all intentions and purposes... useless once people could go super saiyan or higher. So while discussing this fact the question was asked 'How can we make Kaioken something 'awesome' but also fair for all the races, especially since regular multiplier additions would pretty much lead to some potential terrible issues on terms of balance. Instead we came onto the idea of an alternative path for Kaioken: Alternative path transformations.
The idea of this approach is that everyone who obtains Kaioken is able to temporarily enter a state that tears away entirely from their race's multipliers, and instead follows an unique path that grants you strong temporary boosts, but at a great cost. Let me show you an example of how this might work, albeit since numbers aren't my strong point, keep in mind the numbers are just rough examples.
Kaioken:
Rather than a proper transformation this is the state a player enters, and at that point is able to start ascending into tiers. In order to tap into those tiers there are certain requirements that need to be met, whether it's training/mastery or a proper PL requirement is yet to be seen. But once in Kaioken the player reverts to their base PL, and instead taps into that awesome little ball of... awesomeness? Anyway! Once in Kaioken players obtain a new feature known as 'Kaioken time', yes a bit lackluster in name, but basically once you enter Kaioken you will be gathering points. How do you gain those points? Let me show you, by letting my moderator self unleash the power of Kaioken....
Reikiko uses Kaioken x50!
By tapping into the Kaioken x50 I have just unleashed the strongest potential level of Kaioken, granting me a temporary x50 transformation. This means that in essence I'll be on par with our strongest end-game race: Humans. Of course alarm bells are ringing and going: But Rei, why would we use our usual modifiers, if we got a badass Kaioken available? Well, as I mentioned before Kaioken is a temporary transformation. Because the result of me using Kaioken leads to my Kaioken Timer slowly depleting.
I have a Kaioken Timer of 100%
With each Kaioken level the timer drops equal to the Kaioken level, divided by 5. So after using Kaioken x50 I have only 90% of my timer left.
Now, the unique thing about Kaioken is that it is a tiered thing, so players are able to alter their modifiers to a certain degree. And even rise on terms of their Kaioken use, but not decrease.
Kaioken x5 (1%)
Kaioken x10 (2%)
Kaioken x15 (3%)
Kaioken x20 (4%)
Kaioken x25 (5%)
Kaioken x30 (6%)
Kaioken x35 (7%)
Kaioken x40 (8%)
Kaioken x45 (9%)
Kaioken x50 (10%)
Ultimate Kaioken (temporarily boosts your multiplier to x75, but will drain all of your Kaioken timer at the end of the post round)
Remember, this has a maintain cost, but now onto the detail involving the negative side of Kaioken.
Your Kaioken Timer also shows the state of your body. Kaioken is damaging on the body, especially the higher you go.
100~90% > No problem
90~80% > -10% Max PL upon leaving Kaioken mode
80~70: > -20% Max PL upon leaving Kaioken mode
70~60: > -30% Max PL upon leaving Kaioken mode
60~50: > -40% Max PL upon leaving Kaioken mode
50~40: > -50% Max PL upon leaving Kaioken mode
40~30: > -60% Max PL upon leaving Kaioken mode
30~20: > -70% Max PL upon leaving Kaioken mode
20~10: > -80% Max PL upon leaving Kaioken mode
10~00: > -90% Max PL upon leaving Kaioken mode (and temporary transformations are dispelled) + One round until KO, unless you eat a senzu bean (this also removes the other tiers of PL reduction)
Note: Once you Kaioken timer runs out... it doesn't refill, not even with a senzu bean.
Now, how do you train Kaioken? On terms of that I have to admit I'm uncertain. It will likely still retain PL requirements, but perhaps more relaxed than proper transformations. For those curious why one would use Kaioken instead of a proper transformation:
Right now only humans have a modifier of x50, this means that at its highest tier you'd be able to fight equal to them. Ultimate Kaioken in fact is considered the 'ace' of the ultimate (yeah, I know there's not an Ultimate Kaioken, but it sounds cooler than Kaioken x75, and there's no x100 Kaioken for you all in here =P). For a single round you'd even have a 25% potential advantage over an equal level-ed human and a 35% over the lowest modifier races. This is pretty much that 'burst' moment, like the one you see when Goku used Kaioken x4 alongside his Kamehameha to topple Vegeta).
-Note: Kaioken can't be used alongside Bulking techniques and the like-
I'm sure more information and questions will be raised, but this is pretty much something that came as a result of sleep-derived people thinking of exciting ultimates for everyone.
Kaioken, at its base has always shown to be a bit of a 'huge boost in strength, but at a heavy price', to the point that at end-game it was, for all intentions and purposes... useless once people could go super saiyan or higher. So while discussing this fact the question was asked 'How can we make Kaioken something 'awesome' but also fair for all the races, especially since regular multiplier additions would pretty much lead to some potential terrible issues on terms of balance. Instead we came onto the idea of an alternative path for Kaioken: Alternative path transformations.
The idea of this approach is that everyone who obtains Kaioken is able to temporarily enter a state that tears away entirely from their race's multipliers, and instead follows an unique path that grants you strong temporary boosts, but at a great cost. Let me show you an example of how this might work, albeit since numbers aren't my strong point, keep in mind the numbers are just rough examples.
Kaioken:
Rather than a proper transformation this is the state a player enters, and at that point is able to start ascending into tiers. In order to tap into those tiers there are certain requirements that need to be met, whether it's training/mastery or a proper PL requirement is yet to be seen. But once in Kaioken the player reverts to their base PL, and instead taps into that awesome little ball of... awesomeness? Anyway! Once in Kaioken players obtain a new feature known as 'Kaioken time', yes a bit lackluster in name, but basically once you enter Kaioken you will be gathering points. How do you gain those points? Let me show you, by letting my moderator self unleash the power of Kaioken....
Reikiko uses Kaioken x50!
By tapping into the Kaioken x50 I have just unleashed the strongest potential level of Kaioken, granting me a temporary x50 transformation. This means that in essence I'll be on par with our strongest end-game race: Humans. Of course alarm bells are ringing and going: But Rei, why would we use our usual modifiers, if we got a badass Kaioken available? Well, as I mentioned before Kaioken is a temporary transformation. Because the result of me using Kaioken leads to my Kaioken Timer slowly depleting.
I have a Kaioken Timer of 100%
With each Kaioken level the timer drops equal to the Kaioken level, divided by 5. So after using Kaioken x50 I have only 90% of my timer left.
Now, the unique thing about Kaioken is that it is a tiered thing, so players are able to alter their modifiers to a certain degree. And even rise on terms of their Kaioken use, but not decrease.
Kaioken x5 (1%)
Kaioken x10 (2%)
Kaioken x15 (3%)
Kaioken x20 (4%)
Kaioken x25 (5%)
Kaioken x30 (6%)
Kaioken x35 (7%)
Kaioken x40 (8%)
Kaioken x45 (9%)
Kaioken x50 (10%)
Ultimate Kaioken (temporarily boosts your multiplier to x75, but will drain all of your Kaioken timer at the end of the post round)
Remember, this has a maintain cost, but now onto the detail involving the negative side of Kaioken.
Your Kaioken Timer also shows the state of your body. Kaioken is damaging on the body, especially the higher you go.
100~90% > No problem
90~80% > -10% Max PL upon leaving Kaioken mode
80~70: > -20% Max PL upon leaving Kaioken mode
70~60: > -30% Max PL upon leaving Kaioken mode
60~50: > -40% Max PL upon leaving Kaioken mode
50~40: > -50% Max PL upon leaving Kaioken mode
40~30: > -60% Max PL upon leaving Kaioken mode
30~20: > -70% Max PL upon leaving Kaioken mode
20~10: > -80% Max PL upon leaving Kaioken mode
10~00: > -90% Max PL upon leaving Kaioken mode (and temporary transformations are dispelled) + One round until KO, unless you eat a senzu bean (this also removes the other tiers of PL reduction)
Note: Once you Kaioken timer runs out... it doesn't refill, not even with a senzu bean.
Now, how do you train Kaioken? On terms of that I have to admit I'm uncertain. It will likely still retain PL requirements, but perhaps more relaxed than proper transformations. For those curious why one would use Kaioken instead of a proper transformation:
Right now only humans have a modifier of x50, this means that at its highest tier you'd be able to fight equal to them. Ultimate Kaioken in fact is considered the 'ace' of the ultimate (yeah, I know there's not an Ultimate Kaioken, but it sounds cooler than Kaioken x75, and there's no x100 Kaioken for you all in here =P). For a single round you'd even have a 25% potential advantage over an equal level-ed human and a 35% over the lowest modifier races. This is pretty much that 'burst' moment, like the one you see when Goku used Kaioken x4 alongside his Kamehameha to topple Vegeta).
-Note: Kaioken can't be used alongside Bulking techniques and the like-
I'm sure more information and questions will be raised, but this is pretty much something that came as a result of sleep-derived people thinking of exciting ultimates for everyone.