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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 23:08:22 GMT
I was told I would atleast get a 20k transfer. Which is fine, however to prove my loyalty to this character I made 8k of history, 12k BP. So why am I starting out with 4k pl.
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Post by Vi-Poi on Apr 3, 2015 23:31:43 GMT
Hey there, 10.
It sounds like your transfer hasn't been enacted yet. I will look into that for you. BPs and histories are not judged with the same formula as other threads are. WC does still play a role, but it is not always in prominence. In your case, since it was a very large BP, I brought other graders and an admin in to help me assess, and the general direction of your starting award was determined.
Post length is not the only metric we go by while making assessments. Things like story flow, pacing, conciseness, structure, characterization, and plot play a huge roll. It sounds like you are unhappy with the starting PL you received, and perhaps other staff can take a close look, but it is higher than most starting awards I give.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2015 4:59:01 GMT
Because most of the ones you give out are terrible bp. No offense but I gave it my all. 20k worth of work down the drain
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Post by Reikiko on Apr 4, 2015 5:17:18 GMT
Android 10, while you will still get the PL that you plan to transfer from Gurin there are some serious misconceptions you seem to have about how starting grades are given. Word Count/Quantity doesn't mean EVERYTHING about your grade. Sure, having a large-sized BP and History will help you get a decent score, but a high quality piece of an average length will always, and I repeat always be just as good, or maybe even better than a huge roughly finished BP. If you wanted to see a fair example of what a high reward would have been, look at Alastair's BP, that's one of the examples that come up in my mind. In fact, a large quantity and a weaker quality will often backfire when used in combination, therefore we often suggest to work on quality before quantity. If you need another example of where quality tops quantity: wodsouls.freeforums.net/thread/1621/who-calling-tsundere-reikikos-bpI'm just using myself as an example because my score is around your own. I wrote around 4000 words (+2000 history I think), but on terms of quality the moderators have graded me to be around the 'good' level (and that's not the highest, to get your wrongly perceived 1:1 grade you'd need to be the highest level, and I don't think anyone is there yet). Basically what I'm saying here is: try to compare your work with some of the other approved BPs before blaming the moderator for your score. And on that note, Vipoi's reasoning for his grading was explained, and in my eyes (and since he's not receiving complains from the rest of the team, I think the others agree with him also) it was a just grading. Short version: Quality over Quantity Check some of the other BPs that received higher scores, and perhaps ask them for tips/suggestions on how to improve your quality.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2015 16:19:04 GMT
look if i would of made the book 1-3 an actually thread instead of having it in history and BP. then I would receive my hard works achievement. Cause honestly I did in my opinion write a terrific story and those who have read it maybe agree with me on this one. I will continue to write a much more better quality writing than before. On the writing I did with Gurin having him gain 10k pl from that one thread a while back, the story was good and he receive that and a bit more because of the weights I had on him. But this time around I believe I wrote a terrific story line for my character and honestly, I would receive much better pl gain through a thread rather than a BP and History. cause honestly, that is obviously being ignored here since BP probably has a certain limit a person can gain and also history does absolutely nothing here at all. I know it's quality or quantity always, but still, if you are writing a full blown story, then you should receive credit where it is due. If i'm honestly going to receive that low of a starting pl. then forget the BP and the history, and will make that entirely in a separate thread and have it graded appropriately since there aren't any barriers at all. cause like I said, wodsouls.freeforums.net/thread/2192/legacy-book-01-completedIf that piece of work can gain that much pl based on the long length of writing, than this work that I wrote in my bp and my history together, would receive equal to or slightly lower than what I have written. Which is perfectly fine in my opinion. Because you may see it entirely different than how I see it. Because honestly, I honestly believe 100% that I would receive a much better pl gain because its a thread and not BP or history. Cause I can honestly write a terrific history, but that won't matter one bit. I can also write a terrific BP, but that also won't matter at all, since I only start with 4k. So 20k of writing a good terrific story, only to receive 4k? How was the story line and all that writing? was it just skimmed through like nothing. You may honestly disagree with me, but I really want to know what we will do here about this. Cause honestly I can write a small summary for my character's history and shit BP and then have all my book 1-3 in an actually thread, so I will be graded appropriately and more higher pl. I was told by a staff member, Raiki, the snake lady, sorry If I got the name wrong. That at first I wrote a small summary for my history, but then she advised me that I should write more, since I am revamping my character and that the admins will see me as being more serious this time around, since I am revamping and I don't plan on changing this character at all in the future. Since she told me that, she inspired me to write all of this work. That little talk we had, inspired me to write 20k worth of work and storyline, it was because of her, she pushed me into writing all this work and I thank her for that. Since I am dead serious about this character growing and not revamping him, then you guys should clearly see that 20k of writing history and BP together, wasn't just a waste of time but should be taken seriously since I did write that much just for a character that is being revamp, and should be taken seriously that I won't be revamping this character at all. I didn't write all of this work for no reason, I wrote all this to show you all that I am serious about this character and I have fresh new ideas for him in the near future. I have proven to you all how serious I am about this character and the history and BP shows it. I will await your response and hopefully you guys understand where I am coming from. Cause I will not only let you guys down, but I won't let android 10 down because of the history and bp that I provided for him. I have many more book sagas to write for him and yea.
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Post by Reikiko on Apr 4, 2015 16:38:02 GMT
Ah~ I see what the issue is that you're having. You're comparing topic grading with BP grades. Both have different systems, and the reason you received that grade was because of a mixture of weights and the little man bonus. Also please try to space your text into paragraphs, it's a bit painful to read such long chunks of text... Either way, if your really want to argue the grading: President Bao Zuccetathose two will be able to give you the 'final' word. But anyway, if I was to write a full blown story (to give you a thought Android 10: wodsouls.freeforums.net/thread/2225/great-vipoi-crane-sensei-story?page=223k, and I received 29k only because 1: decent quality modifier 2: weights 3: LMB (I'm not even sure I got the LMB, I think I didn't). The highest BP I ever seen graded was around a 15k reward, and that was, in my eyes a masterpiece.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2015 17:31:11 GMT
I sent a message to president, so will see what he says about this.
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Post by Vi-Poi on Apr 4, 2015 22:23:18 GMT
I've got your transfer done #10, with 20,000 PL moved from Gurin to Android #10. This was done as a stack onto your BP award, as per advice from Zucceta.
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Post by President Bao on Apr 6, 2015 12:17:41 GMT
I don't appear to have any pm on these matters, are you sure you sent it to me? (And haven't had a chance to look into anything here, if it's something that needs reviewing then I guess I'll have to add it on to the pile, so indeed pm me about it and I assure you we'll fix up anything that may be wrong/unfair if something is amiss, you have my word so no need to stress )
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2015 18:19:06 GMT
President Idk if you got my pm, so here it is.
Im not sure if you are getting my pm or not. But I would like to say that I did revamp gurin ringo and that I did get my 20k transfer. but along side that, I did write 8k of history and 12k of Begginers presentation. Which adds up to 20k worth of storyline for my character and since history really doesn't matter nor does BP since they both are in a different system than regular thread grading, I still would like the hard work I did of my 20k worth of work. I have proven to you guys from my history and my bp, that I am dead on serious with this character and I want the pl I deserve and seeing that I receive 4k of starting pl for my 20k hard work isn't satisfying to me at all. I do plan to write more and more books for my character and I want him to grow more and I plan to stick with this character. I have shown you guys my proof in revamping my character, just look at the story I have given him. I wouldn't write this much if I didn't care about this character. I don't want to be a bother nor do I want you guys to think that I am Pl hungry. I just want to earn the pl that I have written so much of. Yes quality is important and I have see the works that you guys have linked me to, but what I did notice is that. Those types of work that you guys see as quality. However, I do put quality into my work as well, If I went into extreme detail on fighting scenes, it would grow vastly into quantity and show that quality experience. For example. To me this is quantity.
"10 sends a punch to 11's face. 11 ducks low and uppercut's 10's chin and having him go up into the air."
Quality to me is this.
"10 extending his right balled up hand far back and upon getting within arm's length of 11, he lunges towards 11 and fully extends his right fist toward 11's left side of the cheek and 11 ducking low from the fist and balling up his right hand and quickly rising up to a stand, as his right fist takes the lead right underneath 10's chin. The impact causing 10 to hover off the ground for a split second, having the balled fist opening up to an open palm, grabbing onto 10's shirt and lifting him over 11's behind, smashing 10's skull head first into the concrete pavement, having 10 suffer from serious machine circuit damage."
These two different types of writing is what I have done in my previous threads at one time or another, if the second example is what you guys want to see me do, I can give you that quality of writing. If that second example is seen as more quantity than quality, than I really don't know what quality even means anymore then. Then I will simply never go into detail ever again in my writing if you guys prefer the first example over the second. I do care about the quality and quantity of my work. If you want to see more of the second example or less of it. Then let me know, Cause I want to be the difference and seeing more quality work than quantity. I'm not a perfectionist, but I do want to receive credit where credit is do. I honestly do love this dragon ball z site and with most sites I have join, I normally quit 2 weeks into it, and even 2 months being into it. I am still here on this site because I enjoy the atmosphere of it. I wouldn't let you guys down and I enjoy those who do read my stories that I do for 10 and what I did for Gurin Ringo. In the end, I really want you guys to see how serious I am with 10, since I did put my efforts into showing you guys, via history and BP. I have to get going to work shortly and will see this later on.
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Post by Zucceta on Apr 8, 2015 10:32:00 GMT
Quality to me is this. "10 extending his right balled up hand far back and upon getting within arm's length of 11, he lunges towards 11 and fully extends his right fist toward 11's left side of the cheek and 11 ducking low from the fist and balling up his right hand and quickly rising up to a stand, as his right fist takes the lead right underneath 10's chin. The impact causing 10 to hover off the ground for a split second, having the balled fist opening up to an open palm, grabbing onto 10's shirt and lifting him over 11's behind, smashing 10's skull head first into the concrete pavement, having 10 suffer from serious machine circuit damage." A lot of the phrases, sentencing and use of words within this paragraph seem artificial and clunky. 'Right balled up hand' - what's wrong with 'right fist', or even fist? You go on to say in the next sentence that you 'fully extend his right fist', which is almost identical to the first sentence ('extending his right balled up hand') and hence would not be graded as a separate line. There's lots of word repetition. 'Having the balled fist opening up to an open palm': do you see the redundancy? I also can hardly understand the action occurring in that paragraph, which isn't an issue I have solely with you, I promise. But it's not obvious who's doing what, or how. It comes across as trying to artificially inflate word count, hence why I gave Vi-Poi permission to drop your quality grade. That paragraph is, in a lot of ways, better than the simple sentence to describe your actions, but it's several steps too far so I now can no longer understand what is actually occurring. Simplicity is often best, as is varying sentence and paragraph structure.
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